Moscow warms up to Islamabad

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http://dailycaller.com/2017/01/29/russian-rockets-sold-to-nasa-may-blow-up-due-to-faulty-metal/

 

http://www.dw.com/en/russia-grounds-proton-m-rockets-over-crash/a-37315115

 

 

Not directly related to aviation but buying from Russia advanced fighter jets could very well come with similar risks. Is there any news on RD-93 rebuild factory or too early to speculate?

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http://dailycaller.com/2017/01/29/russian-rockets-sold-to-nasa-may-blow-up-due-to-faulty-metal/

 

http://www.dw.com/en/russia-grounds-proton-m-rockets-over-crash/a-37315115

 

 

Not directly related to aviation but buying from Russia advanced fighter jets could very well come with similar risks. Is there any news on RD-93 rebuild factory or too early to speculate?

 

IHS Jane's spoke to some PAF officials in November 2015 and learned that plans were underway to set up a RD-93 MRO centre. I don't know where they're at in regards to this project, but it'll have to happen eventually to support 150, if not more, JF-17s. 

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Much of that appears to be directed towards India.

 Meaning?

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Haris bahi, Pak-Russia relations have been growing steadily over the years. Some of this has to do with the re-allignment of their national interests and at the same time russia is trying to find an alternative market for its arms because of increasing Indian coziness with USA. There are a number of potential Ind-Russia contracts that have been pending for years and Russians have been conveying to India we can supply to Pakistan as well.

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PakDef tweet says pak considering the s400 and the Chinese j15/16.

S400 would be a significant boost.

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I'm getting a bit tired of news items such as these. We hear alot of bluster from the russians but ultimatley zero end product. We still havent recieved the 4 Hinds we ordered, yet we hear rumours like this. I really hope our military planners are taking all of this with a pinch of salt. 

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Well, what do you like to happen beside your own wish. Russia dropping Bharat like a hot potato?

 

The news ideas is from semiofficial sputnik news outlet and it is quoting a Pakistani defense official

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Well, what do you like to happen beside your own wish. Russia dropping Bharat like a hot potato?

 

The news ideas is from semiofficial sputnik news outlet and it is quoting a Pakistani defense official

 

obviously I'm not privy to Russia's internal dealings with the Indians but it seems we are constantly getting news reports as above and yet I see no real movement on our end or the russians. Perhaps I'm asking too much? what would be good to see is the visit of a senior Russian official like the president or prime minister or even the foreign minister. we haven't seen anything just yet. At this moment in time I am inclined to just assume these are mere very early stage discussions. 

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obviously I'm not privy to Russia's internal dealings with the Indians but it seems we are constantly getting news reports as above and yet I see no real movement on our end or the russians. Perhaps I'm asking too much? what would be good to see is the visit of a senior Russian official like the president or prime minister or even the foreign minister. we haven't seen anything just yet. At this moment in time I am inclined to just assume these are mere very early stage discussions.

Not too long ago, Putin's visit to Pakistan did not materialise because of the lack of any substantial deals. Because of Pakistan's financial dependence on others, she has to take on board her 'friends/financiers' wishes/whims on board.

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It is good that the relationship is revamping at a slow with  mutual pace. 

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It is good that the relationship is revamping at a slow with mutual pace.

Absolutely.

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It is imperative for Pakistan to get its act together by rooting out corruption with politicians, harmonizing national unity, ensuring that CPEC benefits "ALL" Pakistani citizens and eliminating terrorism, feudalism and land-owner monopoly. To educate it's citizens with the correct and true knowledge, giving them the tools with which they forge ahead in life and shed aside old cultural ignorance. A stable Pakistan would in essence provide for a stable "Central Asia". At the heart of which, is Afghanistan. And here is where Pakistan needs to work with Russia and China. For when they meet with success in stabilizing Afghanistan. Then we can truly unlock the real and awesome economic potential of Central Asia as a whole. By bringing the Central Asian States closer to trade routes through Afghanistan and Pakistan. These land locked countries would prove to be not only good trading partners, but would also become potential members of SCO. And that organization, my friends, has the potential to rival NATO/EU.

With regional stability, steady economic growth and a strong defense alliance (S.C.O) would ensure that the world is no longer a play ground for the Western Powers. And will provide the much needed balance where global affairs aren't contrived, dominated and dictated by the West. It is as essential for Russia and China, that Pakistan is a stable, robust and united country. With peace, security and economic growth. CPEC would be just the beginning of Pakistan's ascension to the world stage. We have a lot that we can accomplish, provided we rid ourselves of bollywood worship, illiteracy, feudalism, nepotism, sectarianism and ignorance.

Since 2000, we have had 7 years of Musharraf Government, 5 years of PPP Government and now, 3 years of Nawaz Government. And even though, 2 out of 3 are one of the worst people ever to be in power, in the history of Pakistan. The Army, consciously or inadvertently, has ensured that we have governments that complete their entire elected tenure. Something which had not happened since General Zia-ul-Haq's passing. If anyone remembers, it Nawaz, then Benazir, then Nawaz and then Benazir. Like someone was playing tic-tac-toe with Pakistan. So now, we need to preserve the sanctity of governments fulfilling their tenures. And with the hope and struggle, we should forge ahead, to elect the next government (after Nawaz completes his term). Which is NOT corrupt, or at least significantly LESS corrupt than the previous one. It would bring further stability.

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Russian think tank calls for sale of Su-35 fighters to Pakistan

However, Russian Center for Analysis of Strategies and Technologies Deputy Director Konstantin Makienko views are yet to gain currency in Russia with Moscow-based Center for Strategic Trends Studies Director Ivan Konovalov pointing out that India has been a friend for several decades and any move to sell state-of-art weapons to Pakistan carry very high risk.

Russian think tank calls for sale of Su-35 fighters to Pakistan in retaliation to India opting out of FGFA
Sukhoi Su-35 Flanker-E air-superiority fighter is the most advanced fourth generation jet in service with the Russian military. Photo Credit: United Aircraft Corporation Website

 

New Delhi: Is Russia unhappy with India's decision to pull out of the project to jointly develop a Fifth-Generation Fighter Aircraft (FGFA) and planning to sell one of its top jets - Sukhoi Su-35 - to Pakistan in retaliation? According to Russian news outlet Pravda, a defence thinktank has called for Moscow not to prioritise India's interest too much even though it still buys most of its defence equipment from Russia.

"We do not want to offend the Indians, but I believe that against the backdrop of India's hesitation about the project of the fifth generation fighter, Russia should promote the Su-35 fighter jet in Pakistan. Otherwise, Chinese, South Korean or even Turkish companies will take this market in about five years," Russian Center for Analysis of Strategies and Technologies Deputy Director Konstantin Makienko was quoted as saying by Pravda.

India and Russia had signed an inter-governmental agreement in 2007 to jointly develop and produce a fifth-generation stealth fighter for their air forces but in July 2018 Defence Minister Nirmala Sitharam announced that New Delhi has conveyed to Moscow that they can go ahead with the project and India may join it at a later stage following disputes over the cost and performance of the proposed fighter.

"India has removed all moral obligations from Russia with its behaviour, so Russia should get rid of self-restraint in its relations with Pakistan. In the past, we would often decline profitable contracts with Pakistan for the sake of India, but now we should follow our own interests of commercial profit," said Makienko. The Sukhoi Su-35 Flanker-E air-superiority fighter is the most advanced fourth generation jet in service with the Russian military.

Pakistan has had a close strategic and defence relationship with USA and China although in recent years it has tried to get closer to Russia too. While the relationship with USA has been rocky in the last few years, especially after the 9/11 terror attacks and the killing of al-Qaeda founder Osama bin Laden in the garrison town of Abbottabad, its ties with China have grown exponentially as both the countries have been laying claims over Indian territory.

However, Makienko views are yet to gain currency in Russia with Moscow-based Center for Strategic Trends Studies Director Ivan Konovalov pointing out that India has been a friend for several decades and any move to sell state-of-art weapons to Pakistan carry very high risk.

"Russia's cooperation with India began back during the times of the Soviet Union. Orders from India and China had saved our military-industrial complex, and India always pays attention to how cooperation between Russia and Pakistan develops, considering this cooperation hazardous to its interests at times," he told Pravda.

Konovalov added that Russia had sold multipurpose helicopters like Mi-8 and Mi-17 to Pakistan and there was nothing wrong if India, too, was trying to get defence equipment from other countries including the USA, France and Israel.

While admitting that India pulling out of the FGFA programme was a setback, it must be kept in mind that the two countries have collaborated successfully in developing several weapons in the past and continue to enjoy a healthy defence and strategic relationship. Konovalov also said that Russia will cooperate Pakistan only in the fields that do not affect India's interests.

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In 2009 I had a discussion with a senior and well placed PAF official where I spoke of 'Nuclear-Chain States' concept in Asia. Essentially, a nuclear chain exists in Asia with Russia-China-Pakistan-India-North Korea. All of these states are connected through each other. This phenomenon does not exist elsewhere in the world. What alliances will come out of this Chain would be matter of time. I was leaning towards Russia-China-Pakistan with North Korea as a silent member. Russia-Pakistan relations were very lukewarm back then to the point of irrelevance. But if the Chain is activated somehow - most likely motivated by China (+ve) and America's double standard policies (-ve) - the Pakistan-Russia relations will reset to better position. India would however either be a defection in the Chain or join it as a 'imbalancer-balancer.' Its presence would be significant but participation would be irrelevant & may be even negative (-ve). This Nuclear Chain could essentially end up becoming Asia's NATO. 9 years later I see non-nuclear and part-nuclear states in Asia possibly joining the club; especially Iran and Turkey.

If such a chain or club is indeed in offing then it would require extensive foreign, defence and security policy realignment between the partners. Common military articles/hardware and doctrines would need to be established. Russia and China could emerge as 'major producers and suppliers' to offset American defence articles. But this will also create a major problem for forces like Pakistan and Turkey, who have been using American hardware for a long time as mainstay or lead systems in many service areas. Any radical changes in force structures of dependent states (Pakistan, Turkey, Iran, North Korea etc ...) would essentially reset their forces and it may take years for them to extensively familiarise themselves with new hardware and combat tactics. If PAF is to acquire Su-35 as a lead fighter over F-16 (which would still continue to serve in its own capacity) it might take PAF quite a time to align its Western inspired combat doctrine and tactics with those of the Russian. Pakistan-Russia military training agreement is probably directed towards overcome this issue. 

Essentially, Pakistan has already linked itself to common defence articles with China, Turkey and Russia & seeks to further enhance it. Fingers crossed for the final outcome. 

 

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Well, the SCO is finally coming about. It seems to have crystallized with the election of IK. I had pointed out quite some time ago on this forum that Pakistan needs to get NATO out of Afghanistan and only Russia can do it. 

The sudden uptick of violence in Afghanistan followed the elections. The spring offensive that I was expecting this year never came. Instead it is happening now. Reports that Russians have been arming the Taliban have been around for a year or two. But the timing of the offensive after the elections is telling. 

One should also note that Putin at one time was planning to meet Zardari, but cancelled. Let’s see if he makes the trip now that Zardari seems to be headed for jail. Putin probably knew that the Pakistan military was interested in SCO but not the sold out political leadership. 

It is essential to get NATO out of Afghanistan as it provides a strategic foothold to disrupt Pakistan, China and Russia—the nuclear states that you cannot attack directly.

The countries that will form the main part of SCO are currently under economic war—Russia, China, Turkey, Pakistan and Iran. Iran’s nuclear deal was yanked willy nilly when they were fully compliant with it. Leverage on Pakistan with IMF and FATF grey listing is modest at best, as Pakistan can cut the NATO supply lines. 

A working SCO is a huge threat to the US control of world affairs. The US, and it’s allies Britain and Israel, are now desperate to stop it. We are going to to see very significant events in the near future. 

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