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Ringside: Round VII


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Old Thread : http://www.pakdef.in...82-Pak-USA-2011

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http://www.dawn.com/...ises-again.html

1. I didn't recognise him without his burkha.

2. In which other country would this dog still be free?

3. Nice piece of land grabbing by maulvi sahab. Now the land is in his own name.

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I can't believe this murderous dog is being'rewarded' by the GoP! And the fact that he still has a following is unbelievable! Sometimes I think that this country deserves what it is reaping!
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Is that a recent picture? Does he still roam around sporting an armed gang of bodyguards?

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20 kanals????? This is just to crazy messed up to even comment, i'm speechless! PPP Gov has completely lost it...

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Did anyone read this?

Hindu group 'flew Pakistan flag to create tension'
By Habib Beary, Bangalore, India

Six members of a right-wing Hindu group have been arrested in India's southern Karnataka state for raising Pakistan's national flag on a government building. Police say those arrested belong to the Sri Rama Sena group.

The flag was raised in Sindgi, near Bijapur, on 1 January, leading to angry protests by Hindu organisations and the stoning of a Muslim prayer hall. Police say Sri Rama Sena was trying to create "communal disharmony" in an area with a sizeable Muslim presence.

Sri Rama Sena is a fringe group that claimed responsibility for attacking women outside a pub in the coastal district of Mangalore in 2009, saying that allowing females in pubs was against Indian culture.
'Dividing society'

Inspector general of police Charan Reddy told the BBC the situation in Sindgi was "now peaceful". "It seems they were out to create communal disharmony," he said. Hindu organisations had called for strikes in a number of towns around Bijapur to protest against the flag-raising.

But Mr Reddy said police investigations had led them to members of the Sri Rama Sena, a group founded by Pramod Muthalik after it broke away from the Bajrang Dal, an affiliate of the long-standing Hindu nationalist organisation, the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh (RSS). Mr Muthalik is the leading suspect in the attack on the women in Mangalore.

Former chief minister and Janata Dal Secular party leader HD Kumaraswamy said of the flag-raising: "It is such a shame. I blame the RSS and the Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) for the incident. They want to divide society on religious lines."

Bijapur is close to Hyderabad in neighbouring Andhra Pradesh and is a historic town with a sizeable Muslim population. Police arrested Sri Rama Sena members for the desecration of a mosque in Mysore a few years ago.

The carcass of a pig was thrown near the prayer hall, an act that triggered major riots between Hindus and Muslims. Karnataka was also rocked by a series of attacks on churches by right-wing groups in 2008, immediately after the BJP came to power.

http://www.bbc.co.uk...-india-16424473

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PPP's diehard jiyala's protesting against PPP government, tomorrow team Zardari will claim establishment hand behind it..



Aman Committee protestors clash with police

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Policemen fire tear-gas shell to disperse protesters at a rally in Karachi. A large number of residents of Lyari neighbourhood, belonging to the ruling Pakistan Peoples Party (PPP), took to the streets to press the government for acceptance of their demands of area issues and restoring peace. -AFP Photo

KARACHI: Supporters of the People’s Aman Committee clashed with the police during a protest rally that was making its way towards Bilawal House.

Police used tear gas shells to disperse the protestors. Many of the protestors were reportedly armed and as a result there was also an exchange of fire during the clashes.

Traffic had been jammed after the routes taken by the protestors had been blocked by containers. The protestors were trying to make their way towards Bilawal House in order to express their grievances.

A number of people were reportedly injured during the clashes. They were later taken to Civil Hospital.

Prime Minister Yusuf Raza Gilani called Sindh Home Minister Manzoor Wassan and voiced his concern over the clashes in Karachi. He also urged him to restore order in the metropolis.

http://www.dawn.com/...ith-police.html

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Talat Hussain interview with Nawaz Sharif. I must warn people, not for the weak-hearted. This is a "beating by first class journalism", NS gets black, blue and Pink) I was worried his hair might start falling off again... If this man had any small amount of shame and dignity, he would have resigned as Party head.



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This explains why the president will only accept this commissions findings - it seems the outcome is already decided.

http://www.thenews.c...camera-briefing

in no other country would such evidence/offer be rejected as to hear it from the horses mouth (so to speak) far outweighs any sealed envelope. Zardari may as well chair the ****ing commission given its bias.

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This explains why the president will only accept this commissions findings - it seems the outcome is already decided.

http://www.thenews.c...camera-briefing

in no other country would such evidence/offer be rejected as to hear it from the horses mouth (so to speak) far outweighs any sealed envelope. Zardari may as well chair the ****ing commission given its bias.

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Ndad, you have misunderstood the above situation.The president will only accept the findings of the parliamentary commission. This is the judicial commission, which the PPP government and Hussain Haqqani are fighting against tooth-and-nail. They are fighting it to such an extent that the PM today regarding Kiyani and Pasha, that any reply by them without approval of his Government would be unlawful and against consititution, which is totally rubbish. He is trying to put more pressure on them to withdraw their case.

This judicial commission is set only because the Supreme Court believed the claim of Pasha and Kiyani that there is something to investigate (memo), instead of the government and Haqqani's claim that memo is non-existant. Every PPP jiyala is shouting "foul-play" against this judicial commission and supporting the parliamentary commission, which if i remember correctly hasnt even started any proceedings because PPP legislators believe there is "no memo". as instructed by Zardari and Gilani.

I dont know why the head of commission didnt allow in-camera statement, but I'm sure there must be some reason. The News piece is very brief, so wait for full article stories tomorrow, to see the full qoute and analysis. This is from Dunya TV, and it presents a different perspective on the judges qoute, and it doesnt seem biased to me, they are not denying his right to present his statement or forcing him to make public, things that are not to be disclosed in open forum. Had it been closed-door, trust me PPP jiyala's and allied political partners would have blasted the commission for being an ISI-stooge. So they are not in an easy position.


No in-camera briefing, Memo commission tells DG ISI
Last Updated On 09 January,2012 About 4 hours ago

Memo commission probing into the memo scandal rejected the DG ISI's request of in-camera briefing.

Attorney General Maulvi Anwar-ul-Haq read the letter of Director General ISI Lieutenant General Ahmad Shuja Pasha asking the memo commission to record his statement in-camera during the hearing.

Justice Faez Issa, head of the memo commission in his remarks, said that the commission’s session is open and if somebody thinks that information is sensitive he can provide it in sealed envelope.

http://dunyanews.tv/...iNOaWQ9NTk0NzY=

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Same judicial commission is also agains the wishes of the government, ordering them to allow Mansoor Ijaz into the country, give visa and provide security. This after a PPP Jiyala has filed case against Mansoor in an Islamabad court, and Rehman Malik said he wont give him visa, and the security threats mentioned by media. PPP is shouting today that court has to no right to give such orders on visa and security.


Memogate: Mansoor Ijaz expected to testify before commission on January 16

By Express / Reuters

Published: January 9, 2012

Commission has also asked army to provided security to Ijaz. PHOTO: EXPRESS/FILE

ISLAMABAD: The judicial commission probing the Memogate scandal on Monday ordered the concerned authorities to issue a visa to Mansoor Ijaz so that he can appear in-person before the court next week.

Ijaz’s counsel Akram Sheikh, while speaking to the media, said that Ijaz will appear before the court on January 16 to record his statement.

Sheikh further said that the court has ordered the army, along with Islamabad police officials, to provided security to Ijaz.

Speaking more about Ijaz’s security, Sheikh said that since his client’s statements might upset some individuals that are part of the federal government, he cannot rely on the security provided by them.

“Ijaz has been receiving death threats from the same email address(es) from which he had been communicating with Husain Haqqani earlier in the year,” Sheikh said.

Sheikh added that the commission also wants Ijaz’s documents to be “counsularised” before they can be submitted to the court.

No private hearing for DG ISI

The commission rejected the request by Director-General of the Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) Lt-Gen Ahmad Shuja Pasha for an in-camera appearance and said that he can submit his statements in written form.

Commission excuses Haqqani from future hearings

The judicial commission also excused former ambassador to US Husain Haqqani from future hearings and said that he will be called when required, reported Express News.

During the proceedings, Haqqani told the commission that he had been efficient in representing Pakistan as an ambassador to the US, and has nothing to do with the alleged memo.

“I had no role in creating, drafting and/or delivering the memorandum to the (US) Chairman Joint Chiefs of Staff Admiral Michael Mullen,” Haqqani said. “I have no knowledge of the origin, authenticity or purpose of the said memo,” he added

The former ambassador to US further said that he “was falsely accused in the media and (by) Mansoor Ijaz of being the person that communicated the contents of the memo.”

Haqqani’s lawyer Zahid Bukhari also refused to submit Haqqani’s BlackBerry data to the judicial commission saying that it was the responsibility of the government to provide the commission with the data.

Pakistan Muslim League- Nawaz (PML-N) chief Nawaz Sharif also appeared before the commission to record their statements.

Haqqani also filed an application in the Supreme Court against the court’s decision to form a judicial commission to probe the Memogate.

In the application filed through his counsel, Haqqani stated that the court’s decision to constitute a commission was against the Article 9 and 15 of the Constitution. He added that the Supreme Court cannot order the High Court judges to form a commission and that it has transgressed it jurisdiction in the matter.

The commission’s chairman Justice Qazi Faiz Isa asked Attorney General Maulvi Anwarul Haq if he is willing to submit an affidavit saying that no case will be registered against Ijaz, the Pakistani American businessman at the centre of the scandal.

The attorney general said that no case was registered against Ijaz in Pakistan; hence no investigation can be initiated against him.

Ijaz’s counsel Sheikh also said that no case can be registered against his client in Pakistan as he is not a Pakistani national.

http://tribune.com.p...lackberry-data/

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Malik makes Nawaz-Musharraf deal public

ISLAMABAD: Interior Minister Rehman Malik on Tuesday made public an agreement that PML-N chief Nawaz Sharif and his family purportedly signed to secure safe exit from Pakistan. Malik revealed the agreement, saying that Nawaz and his family went into exile after signing a deal with former president Pervez Musharraf. Malik also displayed the agreement carrying signatures of Nawaz Sharif, Shahbaz Sharif and other members of their family. The PML-N had been denying any agreement between its leadership and former president since long, but Malik said that Sharif had struck deal and sought pardon from Musharraf before he left for Saudi Arabia. “Nawaz Sharif gave the application for pardon on December 2, 2000 and it was approved by the then chief executive of the country, Gen Musharraf, on December 9 the same year,” he said. The minister said that agreement signed by Nawaz Sharif was for a 10-year exile, but he violated the agreement and returned to the country before the deadline. In a move to downplay the storm triggered by the superior judiciary after its ruling on the National Reconciliation Ordinance (NRO), Malik said that it was Sharif brothers not the Pakistan People’s Party who signed the NRO. Malik vowed that he would present evidence against Nawaz on daily basis, adding that the PML-N would have to tell the people about its relations with Mansoor Ijaz, a Pakistani-American businessman at the centre of controversy. The minister said that Nawaz Sharif knew that basically the NRO promulgated by Musharraf was not prompted or demanded by the PPP leadership. It may be mentioned that the NRO was initiated during Musharraf’s tenure and it was cleared by the cabinet of former prime minister Shaukat Aziz.

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BREAKING NEWS on all news channels (yet again), army getting serious, government increasing provocations and rumours about sacking Kiyani. It looks like they want to be thrown out by army rather than SC. Commander of 111 brigade has been replaced, and secretrary defence sacked by PM. Kiyani has called urgent corps commanders meeting within 24/48 hours. (Source DAWN/ARY news)

PM sacks Secretary Defence; COAS calls emergency meeting


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Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani. — Photo by AFP




ISLAMABAD: Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani on Wednesday sacked Secretary Defence Khalid Naeem Lodhi, DawnNews reported. In a related development, the army chief summoned an emergency meeting of the corps commanders.

The prime minister revoked Lodhi’s contract and handed over the additional charge of secretary defence to Nargis Sethi. Furthermore, DawnNews quoted sources as saying that the military high command had appointed Brigadier Sarfaraz Ali commander of the 111 brigade.

Prime Minister Gilani’s office said in a statement that Lodhi was fired for “gross misconduct and illegal action which created misunderstanding” between state institutions.

The army earlier said the defence ministry had failed to process its submissions made to a Supreme Court inquiry into a controversial unsigned memo that sought US help in curbing the power of the military.

That failure triggered a row between the country’s military and civilian leadership, with the prime minister earlier in the week telling Chinese media the army top brass had acted unlawfully in failing to consult it.

Moreover, Lodhi was regarded as having more power than the defence minister because of his direct ties to the army high command.

http://www.dawn.com/...ry-defence.html

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PM’s allegations may have “serious ramifications”: ISPR


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The Director General of Inter Services Public Relations (ISPR), Maj Gen Athar Abbas.—File Photo




ISLAMABAD: The Inter-Services Public Relations (ISPR) on Wednesday issued a statement saying the prime minister’s recent interview to a Chinese daily may have “very serious ramifications with potentially grievous consequences for the country.”

“There can be no allegation more serious than what the honourable Prime Minister has levelled against the COAS and DG ISI and has unfortunately charged the officers for violation of the Constitution of the Country,” the statement posted on ISPR’s website said.

The ISPR’s statement said that the prime minister’s statement “did not take into account” certain facts of the situation.

The statement said that the responses of the army chief and the DG ISI were forwarded to the ministry of defence and a letter was also dispatched to the attorney-general and the Supreme Court informing them that “replies have been submitted to the ministry of defence.”

The statement moreover stated that: “Any expectation that COAS will not state the facts [of the memo case] is neither constitutional nor legal. Allegiance to state and the constitution is and will always remain prime consideration for the respondent, who in this case has followed the book.”

Following the day’s developments, army chief General Ashfaque Pervez Kayani also called an emergency Corps Commanders’ meeting on Wednesday.

Meanwhile, Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani sacked Secretary Defence Khalid Naeem Lodhi and handed over the additional charge to Nargis Sethi, Secretary Cabinet Division.

http://www.dawn.com/...ions”-ispr.html

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PM Gilani’s allegations against COAS, DG ISI serious: ISPR


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RAWALPINDI: Pakistan's army warned Wednesday that critical comments made by the prime minister would have "serious ramifications" and could wreak "potentially grievous consequences for the country".

Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani earlier in the week told China's People's Daily online that the army chief and head of intelligence services had acted unlawfully by making unilateral submissions to an ongoing Supreme Court inquiry.

The ISPR statement said: "APP issued a statement on 9th of January 2012 giving details of the interview given by the Honourable Prime Minister of Pakistan to The People's Daily Online of China when the COAS was also on an official visit to China. The Honourable Prime Minister inter alia termed the responses given by COAS and DG ISI in the alleged Memo Case to the Honourable Supreme Court of Pakistan as unconstitutional and illegal".

This part of the statement has been quoted and widely debated in the media. There can be no allegation more serious than what the Honourable Prime Minister has leveled against COAS and DG ISI and has unfortunately charged the officers for violation of the Constitution of the Country. This has very serious ramifications with potentially grievous consequences for the Country.

The statement does not take into account following important facts:-
- COAS and DG ISI were cited as Respondents in the Petitions as such and after hearing the parties the Honourable Supreme Court served notices directly to the Respondents. This was not objected to by the learned Attorney General of Pakistan.

- The responses by the respondents were sent to the Ministry of Defence for onward submission to the Honourable Supreme Court, through Attorney General (Law Ministry).

- A letter was also dispatched to the Attorney General of Pakistan and the Honourable Supreme Court of Pakistan informing that the replies have been submitted to the Ministry of Defence.

- It is emphasized that copies of the statements of the two Respondents were not forwarded directly to the Supreme Court.

- Responsibility for moving summaries and obtaining approvals of Competent Authority thereafter lay with the relevant ministries and not with the Respondents.

It is also highlighted that after a meeting between the Honourable Prime Minister and the COAS, the Honourable Prime Minister had publicly stated through a press release of 16th December 2011 that the replies submitted were " in response to the notice of the Court through proper channel and in accordance with the rules of business." No objections were raised before and thereafter, on the legality and constitutional status of the replies, at any time, during the last more than three weeks of hearing of the case by the Honourable Supreme Court.

It is also categorically stated that COAS and DG ISI in their response to the Honourable Supreme Court were obliged to state facts as known to them, on the Memo Issue. The issue of jurisdiction and maintainability of the Petitions was between the Honourable Supreme Court and the Federation.

Any expectation that COAS will not state the facts is neither constitutional nor legal. Allegiance to State and the Constitution is and will always remain prime consideration for the Respondent, who in this case has followed the book.

http://www.thenews.c...I-serious:-ISPR

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Pakistan army warns PM Gilani over criticisms

Pakistan's military has publicly rebuked Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani over an escalating row.

http://www.bbc.co.uk...d-asia-16511826

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Like I said in the other thread, zaradri and geelani will get progressively more aggressive with Army & Judiciary as the end of their term approaches.

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Backtracking has begun it seems...


Army Chief to complete term: Shah

Updated 13 minutes ago


ISLAMABAD: Pakistan People's Party (PPP) leader Khurshid Shah has said that the Army Chief will complete his term of office, Geo News reported.

Talking to media after meeting JUI-F Chief Maulana Fazlur Rehman, Khurshid Shah said that PPP tried to bring the temperature down, adding that Chief of Army Staff General Ashfaq Pervez Kayani would complete his term.

On the occasion, PPP General Secretary Raja Pervez Ashraf accused media of creating hype on the issue regarding clash among institutions.

"For God's sake!" exclaimed PPP's Raja Pervaiz Ashraf when asked if the government is considering sacking the Army Chief and the ISI Chief.

http://www.thenews.c...lete-term:-Shah

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Press Release
No PR4/2012-ISPR
Dated: January 11, 2012
Rawalpindi - January 11, 2012:

APP has issued a statement on 9th of January 2012 giving details of the interview given by the Honourable Prime Minister of Pakistan to The People’s Daily Online of China when the COAS was also on an official visit to China. The Honourable Prime Minister inter alia termed the responses given by COAS and DG ISI in the alleged Memo Case to the Honourable Supreme Court of Pakistan as unconstitutional and illegal.

This part of the statement has been quoted and widely debated in the media.
There can be no allegation more serious than what the Honourable Prime Minister has leveled against COAS and DG ISI and has unfortunately charged the officers for violation of the Constitution of the Country. This has very serious ramifications with potentially grievous consequences for the Country.

The statement does not take into account following important facts:-

- COAS and DG ISI were cited as Respondents in the Petitions as such and after hearing the parties the Honourable Supreme Court served notices directly to the Respondents. This was not objected to by the learned Attorney General of Pakistan.

- The responses by the respondents were sent to the Ministry of Defence for onward submission to the Honourable Supreme Court, through Attorney General (Law Ministry).

- A letter was also dispatched to the Attorney General of Pakistan and the Honourable Supreme Court of Pakistan informing that the replies have been submitted to the Ministry of Defence.

- It is emphasized that copies of the statements of the two Respondents were not forwarded directly to the Supreme Court.

- Responsibility for moving summaries and obtaining approvals of Competent Authority thereafter lay with the relevant ministries and not with the Respondents.
It is also highlighted that after a meeting between the Honourable Prime Minister and the COAS, the Honourable Prime Minister had publicly stated through a press release of 16th December 2011 that the replies submitted were “ in response to the notice of the Court through proper channel and in accordance with the rules of business.”

No objections were raised before and thereafter, on the legality and constitutional status of the replies, at any time, during the last more than three weeks of hearing of the case by the Honourable Supreme Court.

It is also categorically stated that COAS and DG ISI in their response to the Honourable Supreme Court were obliged to state facts as known to them, on the Memo Issue. The issue of jurisdiction and maintainability of the Petitions was between the Honourable Supreme Court and the Federation.

Any expectation that COAS will not state the facts is neither constitutional nor legal. Allegiance to State and the Constitution is and will always remain prime consideration for the Respondent, who in this case has followed the book.

http://www.ispr.gov....948#pr_link1948

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It is obvious the USA is trying to get the military in grip of the corrupt government. Let us wait and see what will happen to the corrupt leadership and their supporters. I think the USA signed its future with this action. But what are serious consequences?

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