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Turkey to start production of Air Defense Radar

Turkish National Defense Ministry and ASELSAN struck a deal worth of $71 m on Air Defense Radar, KALKAN, purchase, state TV said. ASELSAN, introducing its 100% domestic production of Air Defense Radar, will begin the mass production of KALKAN, TRT said.

With its high quality specifications, ASELSAN's KALKAN -shield in English- has been designed, produced and tested by 100% domestic means, the report said. Following a series of laboratory and field tests the machine made it to the inventory of Turkish Armed Forces.

With its high-tech antenna, improved hardware and signal processing infrastructure the radar can make a 3-D search and detection of all kinds of air targets like helicopters, planes, drones, and missiles. KALKAN makes an automatic classification of the data it recieves and refers them to the command control systems. Thanks to the KALKAN project, ASELSAN earned the experience and infrastructure to develop land, air, and naval radars for all kinds of ranges and tasks.

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I think it was part of strategy to get more input in JSF program. They now achieved to be one of the two big maintenance factories in Europe. So they are allowed to do more. I do not think Turkey has either the money or the know how to go all the way without major partnering. My feeling is that Turkey is playing games with everything, just like the interest to buy Chinese sam... 

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A noble and ambitious goal, Turkey has set itself. I wish them all the best in their endeavour to achieve 100% self-reliance. They certainly look economically well placed to embark upon such a goal. However, in my opinion, they have pushed themselves in the deep end with decades of dependency on Western platforms. And haven't done themselves any favors by conducting joint ventures with the illegal state of Israel.

 

It seems a tall order to achieve, but as I said, good luck to Turkey in their ambitious plan. 

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A noble and ambitious goal, Turkey has set itself. I wish them all the best in their endeavour to achieve 100% self-reliance. They certainly look economically well placed to embark upon such a goal. However, in my opinion, they have pushed themselves in the deep end with decades of dependency on Western platforms. And haven't done themselves any favors by conducting joint ventures with the illegal state of Israel.

 

It seems a tall order to achieve, but as I said, good luck to Turkey in their ambitious plan. 

If they set their mind to it, they can certainly do no worse than Sweden and its Gripen.  Yes they too will require a lot of integration, but through that process, they would achieve a know-how that they currently don't have.

 

JF-17 is a good beginning for us.  Ideally it would be great if this could be a joint Pak-Turk project, however given we are so broke, I doubt we would be a viable partner for the Turks.  They could go it alone but hopefully PAC can have some involvement in their venture given the close collaboration between the defence industries of the two countries.  I am sure during the course of the F-16 upgrades and other collaboration, at least at the unofficial or Air Force to Air Force level, such possibilities have come up.

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Any idea about the level of indeginisation achieved in PT 6C engines of T 129 ATAK. Will its procurement through Turkey release the buyers from strings associated with US components?

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http://www.defensenews.com/story/defense/air-space/air-force/2015/06/06/turkey-fighter-jet-indigenous-select-foreign-partner-bae-saab-airbus-fx/28401665/

Turkey To Select Foreign Partner for Fighter Program
 

ANKARA — In one of the most critical stages shaping its indigenous fighter jet program, the Turkish government plans to select a foreign partner by 2016, officials said.

The foreign partner would be expected to support the approximately four-year planned designing phase of the program dubbed F-X, the officials said.

One senior procurement official said the contract involving the foreign partner would be around US $1 billion.

Early in March, Turkey's procurement agency, the Undersecretariat for Defense Industries (SSM), released a request for information (RFI) for the F-X program. A number of international aerospace manufacturers have replied to the RFI, the official said, including BAE Systems, Saab, China's Shenyang Aircraft Corp., Airbus Germany, Alenia and Sierra Nevada Corp. (SNC)

"These potential bidders have expressed their interest to our request for information. There may be others that can come into the bidding picture at the request for proposal stage," said the official.

One potential bidder, US-based SNC, in May won a Turkish contract for the redesign, development and production of an initial batch of 50 regional jets with civilian and military use.

The contract, estimated at between $1.5 billion and $2 billion, aims to produce indigenous Turkish jet and turboprop aircraft based on SNC's Dornier 328 and 628 platforms.

Procurement officials expect the F-X program to gain pace after parliamentary elections June 7. "This is a program that goes with the tag 'priority,'" said one official familiar with the program.

SSM defined in the RFI document the scope of the fighter program as "indigenous design, development and production activities of the first Turkish fighter aircraft to meet Turkish Armed Forces' next generation fighter requirements and replace the existing F-16 fighter fleet starting from 2030s."

SSM officials said the release of the RFIdocument was intended "to see which companies would be willing to take part and which capabilities will be offered."

A joint committee of Air Force and SSM officials have already started work on the program at an office building belonging to Tusas, Turkey's aerospace company.

Turkey's top procurement panel, the Defense Industry Executive Committee, chaired by Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoglu, decided Jan. 7 to go ahead with the F-X program after reviewing its feasibility.

Other members of the committee are Defense Minister Ismet Yilmaz, Chief of Military General Staff Gen. Necdet Ozel and chief procurement official, Ismail Demir, head of SSM.

Davutoglu said that a twin-engine model would be pursued in the national fighter aircraft program. But procurement officials say this [twin-engine] is not an "irreversible" idea.

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It will be interesting to see if Shenyang Aircraft Corp gets selected if there will be any convergence b/w J 31 and TFX development.

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It's going to be tough for SAC to join the TFX, unless of course Turkey decides to really fly the birdie to NATO, unfortunately the HQ-9 for HiMADS initiative almost fell through. I think Saab will be the most likely partner considering that Sweden sits in the middle of being both an amicable Western entity and independent power.

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It's going to be tough for SAC to join the TFX, unless of course Turkey decides to really fly the birdie to NATO, unfortunately the HQ-9 for HiMADS initiative almost fell through. I think Saab will be the most likely partner considering that Sweden sits in the middle of being both an amicable Western entity and independent power.

 

To me, Saab are the best people to partner with. They have a good track record of delivering their products and producing sensible affordable platforms. Lets see what they can come up with. The starting point will of course be many of the subsystems developed for the NG programme for Brazil.

 

I cannot see SAC progressing with Turkey, as Turkey needs to take their aviation industry to the next level. I would say that Turkey has better manufacturing facilities and quality standards than China has at the moment by virtue of being involved in the F16 / T-129 manufacturing programmes and recently the F35 workshare.

 

Do not underestimate Turkeys defence industries, they are very capable.

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The main obstacle with the Saab project is that risk is going to be a lot higher given that development is in the early stages. Costs can mount and end up being prohibitive, even for Turkey. Whatever issues China has (especially with engines), the J-31 is well along in terms of its development, Turkey going that route may be less risky.

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I think Faisal is right here.It all boils up to money availability, as with Turkey a share with a country that can make inputs both in technology as well as could absorb a considerable financial risk is the key.China may very well meet this criteria but Political consideration might force turkey to look elsewhere.

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Turkey cancels $3.4B missile deal with China to launch own project
 
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Turkey cancels $3.4B missile deal with China to launch own project
 
Turkey cancelled the long-range missile defense system contract to build its own system despite previously announcing China as a possible partner
 
Turkey has cancelled a $3.4 billion long-range missile defense system contract process, which was provisionally awarded to China in 2013, to launch its own project to build the system.
 
Turkey's multi-billion dollar anti-missile defense system contract has been a hot topic since Turkey's military procurement agency, the Undersecretariat for the Defense Industry (SSM), chose the China Precision Machinery Import-Export Corporation (CPMIEC) FD-2000 (HQ-9) long-range air and missile defense system over Western competitors, including the Italian-French Eurosam's SAMP/T Aster 30 system in September 2013.
 
Government officials announced that they preferred the Chinese offer due to its competitiveness and potential for co-production in Turkey. However, NATO raised objections to Turkey's move, pointing out that missile systems used by members of the transatlantic military alliance must be compatible. NATO insists the Chinese technology is not compatible with the evolving ballistic missile shield being built in Europe. Turkey also extended the deadline to announce its final decision about the contract while continuing negotiations with China's state-run CPMIEC about technology transfer. Sources in the Turkish defense industry said none of the bidder companies met Ankara's demands on co-production and technology transfer and that it is the main reason behind the cancellation.
 
According to sources, after the cancellation Ankara is now planning to launch its own project to build a similar system. Turkish defense companies are already producing short- and middle-range ballistic missiles such as the J-600T Yıldırım (Thunderbolt), SOM Cruise Missile and a laser guided "Cirit" missile, but they are not yet capable of producing long-range missile systems. In recent years the defense industry has made significant achievements in building the base for a modern national defense industry in Turkey and key defense industry institutions have been established to meet the requirements. The local content ratio, the extent to which requirements are met locally, rose to 55 percent in 2014, and as the next phase the country is aims to reduce external dependence in critical subsystems, components and technologies determined in line with the requirements.
 
Turkish defense producers aim to boost exports to $25 billion by 2023 from $1.6 billion last year, and Ankara is planning to spend around $70 billion on military equipment until 2023.
 
Ankara and Beijing sign 7 new deals 
 
Turkey and China inked seven agreements following an inter-committee meeting headed by President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan and his Chinese counterpart Xi Jinping. The first of these agreements is a memorandum of understanding on the harmonization of the Silk Road Economic Belt, the 21st Century Marine Silk Road and the Middle Corridor Initiative. Transport, Maritime Affairs and Communications Minister Feridun Bilgin and Chinese National Development and Reform Commission President Xu Shaoshi also signed a memorandum of understanding on strengthening cooperation in e-commerce.
 
As a part of the Edirne-Kars High Speed Railway, Bilgin and Chinese Trade Minister Gao Hucheng signed a railway cooperation agreement. Minister of Food, Agriculture and Livestock Kutbettin Arzu and Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi signed two protocols on phytosanitary requirements for the export of Turkish cherries to China and on veterinary and health requirements for dairy products to be exported from Turkey to China. Prime Ministry Investment Support and Promotion Agency President Arda Ermut and China Export and Credit Insurance Corporation (Sinosure) Vice President Luo Xi signed a framework cooperation agreement. The agreement on the transfer of Kumport Port shares was signed by Fiba Holding CEO Hüsnü Özyeğin, China Merchants official Li Jianhong, China Ocean Shipping Company (COSCO) Group executive Ma Zehua and China Investment Corporation (CIC) executive Zhang Qing.
 

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Credit to the Turks for being so relentless on localization. Yes, they have the money, but money alone isn't a guarantor of localization (see:Gulf), one needs a serious sense of concern to take such a route (which can end up being more expensive than importing).

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The way Turkey has empowered it's private defence companies can be example to emulate l, especially for a country like Pakistan.

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The way Turkey has empowered it's private defence companies can be example to emulate l, especially for a country like Pakistan.

Indeed. Turkey did have a fairly strong education system producing the necessary scientists, engineers, technicians etc, but a solid mix of government works and Turkish private investment helped on channeling that talent to local works as opposed to outside opportunities. For Pakistan the talent base and triggering local private investment (on the part of our own millionaires and billionaires) will be key. Goes without saying that lucrative requirements on the part of the armed forces will be key as well.

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Idon't think the Turks have the technological base to build a HMA SAM system comparable to HQ-9/FD-2000

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Idon't think the Turks have the technological base to build a HMA SAM system comparable to HQ-9/FD-2000

 

I don't think they'll draw on their own defence industry 100%, we'll likely see them draw on the support of foreign vendors in specific areas, e.g. long-range radar, missile technology, etc. But if this is anything like their attempt at a tank engine, then the Turks will be looking to actually own the end IP. It's going to be very expensive though.

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Not going with the Chinese allows the Turks to build their own with Western input.

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Turkey ‘to establish military base in Qatar’
 
The base would be Ankara’s first in the Gulf region
 
Published: 19:07 December 2, 2015 Gulf News
Gulf News Report
 
Dubai: Turkey will establish a military base in Qatar, its President Recep Tayip Erdogan was quoted as saying in Turkish media on Wednesday.
 
The comments were reportedly made by Erdogan during a trip to Qatar in which several agreements were signed between the two countries, including a gas agreement.
 
“Turkish and Qatari armies conducted their first joint military drill. Some of our soldiers, who will be deployed at a military base to be established in Qatar, have started their duties,” Erdogan was cited as saying in the Turkish Daily Sabah.
 
The base would we Turkey’s first in the Gulf region.
 
Erdogan also said that Turkey views positively possible investment in LNG storage projects with Qatar, hinting that its troubled relations with Russia could make such deals more attractive.
 
“We viewed positively a possible LNG storage investment or other steps with Qatar, as a result of obvious developments regarding Turkey,” Erdogan told reporters.
 
Turkey, which relies heavily on energy imports, has previously explored the possibility of such storage projects with Moscow. Relations between the two countries have chilled sharply, after Turkey shot down a Russian warplane last week.
 
Turkey and Qatar also agreed to visa-free travel between the two countries.
 
“From now on, visas have been lifted between Turkey and Qatar. The citizens of the two countries can now travel easily. This was a last minute step,” Erdogan said.
 
Erdogan and Qatari Emir Shaikh Tamim Bin Hamad also chaired the Turkey-Qatar High Strategic Committee’s first meeting in the Qatari capital of Doha during which 15 bilateral agreements were signed. Erdogan said that the visa-free agreement was the 16th agreement between the two countries.
 
Turkey and Qatar agreed to cooperate in several sectors, including education, environment, science and technology, maritime and energy.
 
Before the implementation of lifting visas, Qatar required visas for Turkish citizens with a standard passport in order to enter the Gulf country. The visa was obtained at Doha International Airport for 14 days for tourist purposes, reported the Daily Sabah.
 
- with inputs from Reuters
 
 
 
 
 
 
Military base
 
Turkey will establish a military base in Qatar, which will be the first such base it has in the Gulf, according to Turkish media.
 
“Turkish and Qatari armies conducted their first joint military drill. Some of our soldiers, who will be deployed at a military base to be established in Qatar, have started their duties,” The Daily Sabah quoted Erdogan as saying.
 
Earlier this year, details were published in the Turkish military’s Official Gazette of a defense deal struck late last year between Qatar and Turkey.
 
This includes mechanisms to allow the deployment of joint forces if needed. Both countries will also exchange operational training experiences, cooperate in defense industry and hold joint military exercises.
 
Both countries will also allow the use of each other’s ports, airports and air space, as Turkey and Qatar agreed to cooperate in fighting terrorism, Turkey’s state-run news wire Anadolu Agency (AA) reported in June.
 
Once constructed, the base will host between 3,000 and 5,000 soldiers and will include units from Turkish ground, naval and air forces as well as special forces, Today’s Zaman said.
 

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Turkey ‘to establish military base in Qatar’
 
The base would be Ankara’s first in the Gulf region
 
 

 

So the game begins. The traditional Saudi-Iranian tussle will have turkey stepping in as the Sunni muscle to thwart the predicted expansion of Iranian sphere of influence. Just keep the Muslims fighting each other and spending their energy on other than constructive pursuit. Fundamentalism leaves no room for compromise and others will keep exploiting this aspect of the ummah's pathology to their advantage. Trillion of dollars of god given natural resources and the result is foreign weapons pointed at each other while remaining the least developed of the world's peoples.      

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So the game begins. The traditional Saudi-Iranian tussle will have turkey stepping in as the Sunni muscle to thwart the predicted expansion of Iranian sphere of influence. Just keep the Muslims fighting each other and spending their energy on other than constructive pursuit. Fundamentalism leaves no room for compromise and others will keep exploiting this aspect of the ummah's pathology to their advantage. Trillion of dollars of god given natural resources and the result is foreign weapons pointed at each other while remaining the least developed of the world's peoples.      

 

There is also the possibility of a "third" grouping consisting of Turkey-Qatar-(now deposed Muslim Brotherhood) vs. Saudi-UAE-Egypt-etc. vs. Iran-Iraq-Syria-Hizbollah justling for influence. As Qatar has been out of favor among its Gulf brethren recently, over the MB issue in Egypt, and Qatar also maintains good ties with Iran, and publically supported its recent nuke deal. Something other Gulf states were not too happy about. So Qatar inviting Turkish troops could also set off alarms in neighbouring GCC capitals. Again making things a lot more complex and potentially more unstable in the years to come.

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There is also the possibility of a "third" grouping consisting of Turkey-Qatar-(now deposed Muslim Brotherhood) vs. Saudi-UAE-Egypt-etc. vs. Iran-Iraq-Syria-Hizbollah justling for influence. As Qatar has been out of favor among its Gulf brethren recently, over the MB issue in Egypt, and Qatar also maintains good ties with Iran, and publically supported its recent nuke deal. Something other Gulf states were not too happy about. So Qatar inviting Turkish troops could also set off alarms in neighbouring GCC capitals. Again making things a lot more complex and potentially more unstable in the years to come.

 

where would that leaves Pakistan

 

cannot be totally out of the picture

 

Pakistan cannot soil its relations with Saudi/ UAE led coalition while Pakistan cannot be seen against Iran. a very tough and complex situation. Better to be left out completely 

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