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PAF related discussion: November – December 2009

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Reports of refueller flying over Rawalpindi Islamabad area; looks great too. :)

Takes off and accelerates at great speed. Must have powerful engines but still they seem to make no more noise than the engines of a Boeing 777! Russian engine technology is improving fast. Some of the Russian cargo planes seemed to wake up the whole city during 2005 earthquake times. Even US C-17s make a lot of noise.

It seems that the plane is taking off from Chaklala and flying towards Kamra to refuel Mirages.

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Seems like Kamra is also hosting the Erieye too!

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Seems like Kamra is also hosting the Erieye too!

Im not sure that Kamra will host the Erieye's.

The induction ceremony was held there probably because of the tradition of inducting new aircraft in PAF from PAC Kamra and it has the required large hangars to hold such events. Also probably the new PAF markings were done at PAC.

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Has anyone watched this:

http://www.youtube.com/user/dawnnews...93/AzzcjfwXGZA

The reporter is claiming that IAF Phalcon can jam the Erieye sensors

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This report looks pretty much a paid report and moreover the tone of the report is obviously sarcastic.

The reporter (Masror Hausen) also claims that the E-2C Hawkeye was delivered and commisioned in the Pakistan Navy in 1986, which is totally false.

And Im sure that the jamming capability is exagarated coz the indians probably will fly their falcon 50 - 100 kms from the border and PAF will do the same. IMHO the falcon will not be able to generate so much jamming power to jam another aircraft around 150 - 200 kms lateraly apart.

And by the way which analysts have tagged this as a "nightmare scenario" ... I seriously doubt the authenticity of this report.

I am pretty sure that the PAF cannot make such comments about the SAAB 2000.

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AEW&C systems Dawn Editorial

THE induction of the first ‘high-tech’ aerial surveillance system into the Pakistan Air Force has been hailed as a great leap forward for the country’s defences. But we are circumspect. Here’s why. First, the Airborne Early Warning & Control (AEW&C) system purchased from Sweden is actually a mid-range technology, better than the rival French technology currently in use by the Pakistan Navy but inferior to the much-sought-after-but-denied American Awacs.

Second, it is not clear yet to what purpose the new Swedish systems will be put. Handing the first over to the air force suggests that the war planners have an eye on India’s ‘cold start’ doctrine, which would theoretically make possible quick, surgical strikes inside Pakistan.

But the fact is, the Swedish technology acquired can be equally useful over water, where the Pakistan Navy could use it to keep an eye on India’s submarines, particularly now that India is testing its first indigenously built nuclear submarine (though it is not yet clear if the Indian craft is merely a nuclear-powered submarine or a nuclear-missile-armed submarine).

Either way, the Swedish radars are a defensive capability that seems to have been acquired in response to assessments of what India can or cannot pull off militarily. Which raises the question: is military hardware the only, let alone the best, route for Pakistan to respond to changing threat perceptions?

War planners here in Pakistan are always keen to highlight that they have ‘realistic’ assumptions and are ‘aware’ of the economic constraints of the country and therefore understand the impossibility and undesirability of matching India weapon for weapon in the military department. And yet Pakistan has just accepted the first of four reconnaissance systems that will cost $866m after virtually zero debate outside select military circles. Value for money? The people can only be certain when the defence-procurement system becomes more transparent.

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Assalamaoalukum,

French system in use by the navy???? what the heck is he talking about ? Atlantic?

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DAWN NEWS simply has no idea

Comparing Atlantique I (maritime surveillance/anti-submarine warfare aircraft) with Saab 2000 Erieye AEW&C (Airborne early warning and control)

Using Saab 2000 Erieye AEW&C to track nuclear-powered submarines

Complain about less capability when compared to E-3 and then talking about the high price (This is the cheapest AEW&C around both to purchase and Fly)

Typical Pakistani defense journalist

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Inshallah I will be writing a response. Will share it shortly.

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If the entire world sees IFR and AWACS as multipliers then I think this journalist has missed a few lectures and starts acting "strange".

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AEW&C systems Dawn Editorial

after virtually zero debate outside select military circles. Value for money? The people can only be certain when the defence-procurement system becomes more transparent.

The journalists, politicians etc. outside of the military have ZERO idea about Defence systems and technology. They are only whinging because they are missing out on kickbacks.

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