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Saudi air force hits Yemen rebels after border raidNov 5, 2009

By Souhail Karam

RIYADH (Reuters) - Saudi Arabia has launched heavy air strikes on rebels in northern Yemen and is moving troops nearer the border after a raid into its territory by the Shi'ite insurgents, a Saudi government adviser said Thursday.

Saudi government officials said only that the air force had bombed Yemeni rebels who had seized a border area inside the kingdom, which they said had now been recaptured. The officials said at least 40 rebels had been killed in the fighting.

Saudi Arabia, the world's biggest oil exporter, has become increasingly anxious about instability and militancy in Yemen, which is also facing separatist sentiment in the south and a growing threat from resurgent al Qaeda fighters.

"As of yesterday late afternoon, Saudi air strikes began on their positions in northern Yemen," the adviser said, asking not to be named because operations were still going on.

"There have been successive air strikes, very heavy bombardment of their positions, not just on the border, but on their main positions around Saada," he said, alluding to the capital of the northern province where the rebels have been battling Yemen government forces since August.

Al Jazeera television quoted a rebel spokesman as saying the Saudi air force had raided six locations inside Yemen. One position had been hit by about 100 missiles in one hour.

There was no official confirmation from Riyadh or the Yemeni capital Sanaa of cross-border Saudi air strikes, which the Saudi adviser said were coordinated with Yemen's armed forces.

Saudi Arabia said Wednesday a security officer was killed and 11 were wounded in an attack by gunmen who had crossed the border from Yemen -- the first such reported incursion since the long-running Houthi revolt flared up again in August.

The Saudi-owned Elaph website reported that a second soldier had died later from the same clash.

NO DECISION ON GROUND OPERATION

The Saudi government adviser said no decision had yet been taken to send troops across the border, but made clear Riyadh was no longer prepared to tolerate the Yemeni rebels.

"After what happened yesterday, it is clear they have lost track of reality and it has got to a point where there is no other way. They have got to be finished," he said.

An al Qaeda group said Thursday it was behind an ambush this week in which seven Yemeni security officials were killed.

The Shi'ite rebels, known as Houthis after the family of their leader, have previously accused Saudi Arabia of backing Yemen's armed forces in the conflict. Sanaa had denied this.

The rebels said Wednesday they had taken control of the Jabal al-Dukhan area after defeating Saudi forces there.

Saudi Arabia was allowing the Yemeni army to use the mountainous area to launch attacks against them and they would take action if this continued, the rebels said.

Al Arabiya television reporter Mohammad al-Hasan, speaking by telephone from Jabal Dukhan, said fighting was in progress.

"We hear bullets and artillery from time to time and we see columns of smoke rising...There was intensive bombing by Saudi warplanes yesterday evening and this morning on Jabal Dukhan and some of the surrounding mountains...mainly to the east," Hasan said, adding that the air raids had stopped several hours ago.

The 1,500 km (930 miles) border between Yemen and Saudi Arabia is a security worry for the kingdom, which is building a high-tech border fence to prevent infiltration.

Saudi Arabia and the United States fear the conflict in Yemen's north and a separatist movement in the south will loosen already tenuous government control and empower al Qaeda.

Such fears rose in August, when a Yemen-based suicide bomber posing as a repentant al Qaeda militant tried to kill Saudi Arabia's counter-terrorism chief, a member of the royal family.

U.S.-allied Arab countries such as mainly Sunni Muslim Saudi Arabia and Egypt fear Shi'ite power Iran could gain influence in Yemen through the Houthis. The rebels deny getting any help from Tehran, which has offered to mediate in the conflict.

Yemen's army launched Operation Scorched Earth in August to crush the rebellion. Aid groups say around 150,000 people have been displaced by the fighting, which first broke out in 2004.

The rebels say they are fighting political, economic and religious marginalisation by Yemen's central government.

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Saudi Air Force Attacking Yemeni Houthi rebels, Part 1:
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Saudi Air Force Attacking Yemeni Houthi rebels, Part 2:
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Saudi: Airstrikes near Yemen targeted infiltrators
By DONNA ABU-NASR (AP)

RIYADH, Saudi Arabia — Saudi Arabia said Friday it carried airstrikes against "infiltrators" from Yemen that were limited to areas inside Saudi territory, and vowed to continue the military action until the border with its restive neighbor was secure.

The statement, carried by the official Saudi Press Agency, did not identify the infiltrators or address claims by Arab diplomats on Thursday that the strikes hit across the boundary, targeting Shiite rebels who have been battling Yemeni government forces for the past few months in Yemen's northern Saada province.

The SPA statement stressed the Saudi military action was confined to areas within the kingdom's borders.

But regardless of the location of the impact, the offensive threatens to embroil Riyadh in a conflict that has for months been a major source of worry for the oil-rich kingdom.

Riyadh has been concerned about a spillover of the Yemeni fighting, of Iran's alleged involvement in the conflict, and of the possibility that Yemen-based al-Qaida militants could capitalize on the tense situation by smuggling fighters across the long and difficult-to-control border.

More broadly, it raises concerns of another proxy war in the Middle East between Iran and Saudi Arabia, a key U.S. ally.

The Yemeni government has accused Shiite Iran of aiding the rebels while the rebels have accused Sunni Saudi Arabia, Iran's fiercest regional rival, of carrying out bombing runs against them.

The same dynamic has played out in various forms in Lebanon, where Iran supports the Shiite militant Hezbollah and Saudi Arabia favors a U.S.-backed faction, and in Iraq, where Saudi Arabia and Iran have thrown support to conflicting sides in the Sunni-Shiite fault-line.

The Arab diplomats and Yemeni rebels said Saudi fighter jets and artillery bombardments hit across the border into northern Yemen on Thursday — the first reported Saudi incursion into Yemen in years.

The northern rebels, known as Hawthis, have been battling Yemeni government forces the past few months in the latest flare-up of a sporadic five-year conflict. They claim their needs are ignored by a Yemeni government that is increasingly allied with hard-line Sunni fundamentalists, who consider Shiites heretics.

The rebels said the Saudi airstrikes hit five areas in their northern stronghold but it was not possible to independently verify the reports. They said there were dead and wounded, and that homes were destroyed. The rebels' spokesman said people were afraid to get near the areas being bombed, making it difficult to count the casualties.

The SPA statement quoted an unidentified Saudi official as saying the Saudi offensive was prompted by an attack by infiltrators from Yemen who on Tuesday ambushed Saudi border guards in the Mount Dokhan area, leaving one Saudi soldier dead and eleven wounded.

The Saudi official said that attack and the infiltrator's presence on Saudi soil were a violation of Saudi sovereignty.

"That gives the kingdom the full right to take all measures to put an end to this illegal presence," the statement said. "The operations will continue until all positions inside Saudi territory are purged of all hostile elements. All necessary measures will be taken to prevent this from happening again in the future."

The statement said that since Tuesday's attack, the Saudi military has carried out concentrated airstrikes against the gunmen in the Mount Dokhan region and other areas within Saudi borders.

The military also beefed up border security, "silenced the origin of the infiltrators' fire," tightened control over the areas where the infiltrators had tried to establish a presence and evacuated border villages.

The weak central government of Yemen, which has little control outside the capital San'a, is fighting on multiple fronts including the northern rebels and a separatist movement in the south. But the most worrisome is a lingering threat from al-Qaida militants in this impoverished country on the tip of the Arabian Peninsula.

Yemen, the ancestral homeland of Osama bin Laden, has cooperated with the U.S. in fighting terrorism but has struggled to confront Islamic extremists. Al-Qaida claimed responsibility for an attack that killed three senior Yemeni security officers on Tuesday, when gunmen ambushed a government motorcade in a southern province.

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S Arabia supports Pak in terror war

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Islamabad—Saudi Arabia fully supports Pakistan’s role in the war on terror and will extend all possible support for countering and defeating forces of terrorism.

The Saudi Interior Minister Prince Naif bin Abdul Aziz said this in a letter to his Pakistani counterpart Rehman Malik.

This was disclosed by Rehman Malik here on Saturday while talking to media persons along with Saudi Ambassador to Pakistan, who earlier held a detailed meeting with the Minister and handed him the letter addressed to him by Prince Naif bin Abdul Aziz,.“Our commitment and full readiness to provide all possible help to our brethren in Pakistan for countering the forces of terrorism and defeating the saboteurs who are causing havoc on earth”, the letter says.

Rehman Malik said, “ We are greatly thankful to the Ambassador and Prince Naif bin Abdul Aziz for assuring full help to Pakistan at a time when Pakistan was engaged in operation to rout the menace of terrorism. He said Saudi Arabia has always stood with Pakistan at every difficult moment.

He also condemned the terrorist group from Yemen which was interfering in Saudi Arabia. “We stand shoulder to shoulder with our brotherly country Saudi Arabia for any support and help in this connection” he added.

The Minister said Pakistan and Saudi Arabia are both facing same kind of terrorist threats and are determined to deal with it effectively in close cooperation with each other. He said international community should take notice of the countries and groups supporting the enemies of humanity. The terrorism has no religion and boundaries. The designs of the terrorists is to destablise certain countries.

He said international community should take into account of what is happening in Pakistan and on the border of Saudi Arabia.

He said that Pak-Afghan border situation is same like Yemen-Saudi border. He said that the terrorist group based in Yemen.. He said the Yemeni group has strong relations with Al-Qaeda and few Yemenis were arrested from Swat during search operation. He said terrorists are enemies of humanity Replying to a question, he said so far 43 foreign terrorists have been arrested in Waziristan operation including Yemenis


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Infiltrators' bases overrun



JAZAN: Saudi Arabia is determined to protect its borders and deter infiltrators from entering the Kingdom, said an official source on Friday in light of the recent entry of Yemeni rebels into the rugged mountainous regions of the south of the Kingdom.

“The entry of the infiltrators into Saudi territories, the killing and wounding of Border Guards as well as the infiltrators’ presence on Saudi soil are violations of the Kingdom’s sovereignty giving it every right to take measures to end this illegitimate presence,” the Saudi Press Agency quoted the official source as saying on Friday morning.

“Operations will therefore continue until all locations within Saudi territories have been completely and fully cleared of hostile elements. We will also take all necessary precautions to prevent any similar incident from taking place in future,” he added.

The source said that the Saudi authorities were able to bring an end to firing in the region, establish control over infiltrator positions, and evacuate local people to safer locations.

“The Saudi Armed Forces have supported the Border Guards with a number of armed units and they have been making concentrated airstrikes on the infiltrators’ positions in Jabal Dukhan as well as other targets within the area of operations inside Saudi territories,” the source said.

Houthi positions in Jabal Dukhan and other mountains close-by within Saudi borders were bombed by air and artillery as part of operations against the infiltrators at 2 p.m. on Friday, said another source.

While 50 rebels were killed 40 of them surrendered, and many more have been arrested since the operations began,” the source said.

The evacuated people said many rebels were rounded up in a flushing-out operation later in the day and they said that over 1,000 were arrested.

In another development on Friday, Jazan Gov. Prince Muhammad bin Nasser visited injured Border Guards admitted to Samitah General Hospital. The prince visited villages in Al-Khoba where armed infiltrators entered Saudi territory and inspected the activities of the governmental, security and medical departments there. He also visited the shelters for those evacuated.

The governor ordered arrangements to ensure speedy evacuation of border villages in the Al-Harth region in the event of any escalation in violence. Some residents in the border region told Arab News they heard sounds of gunshots from various points in the border.


Situation under total control



8 Nov 2009

JAZAN: The Kingdom is fully capable of defending its land, securing its borders and repelling intruders, said a high-ranking Saudi official during a visit to the border zone where Yemeni rebels attacked Saudi Border Guards on Tuesday.

“It is our duty to deal with this rash and irresponsible action and put an end to this tragedy,” said Assistant Minister of Defense and Aviation Prince Khaled bin Sultan while addressing members of the armed forces and special security forces in Al-Khoba. The situation is under total control, he added.

Prince Khaled made it clear that Saudi Arabia is established on the principles of Shariah, justice, and noninterference in the internal affairs of other nations. “At the same time we will not let anyone interfere in our matters,” he said.

“Our soldiers have taught the evil aggressors a lesson they will never forget. They have fought well and outsmarted the enemy using the latest military techniques, which the brazen rebels did not expect,” he added.

Prince Khaled said five Saudi soldiers went missing and one of them later returned. Search for the remaining was under way, he said.

Meanwhile, Saudi forces continued to flush out Houthi rebels from some border areas on Saturday as officials said the operation would continue until all infiltrators had been dealt with.

Medical sources said the number of casualties on the Saudi side did not exceed seven. Four of them were women hit by a rocket.

In another development, Health Minister Dr. Abdullah Al-Rabeeah flew to the region on Saturday to visit injured soldiers and civilians in the intensive care wards at hospitals in Samitah and Jazan.

Al-Rabeeah conveyed the gratitude of Custodian of the Two Holy Mosques King Abdullah to the injured. “A state of medical emergency has been declared in the region and a blood-donating campaign is under way. The Jazan Health Department has been supplied with 30 ambulances to cope with any emergency,” said Jibril Al-Qubbi, spokesman for the Health Directorate in Jazan. He added that there is no shortage of medications, medical accessories and staff.

“The health minister is satisfied with the high level of service in the hospitals in the region,” said Khalid Al-Mirghalani, spokesman for the Ministry of Health.

Eyewitnesses in the region told Arab News on Saturday that they saw security men transferring approximately 3,000 violators of Saudi residence regulations and unidentified persons to the Tiwal border crossing with Yemen. They also saw the evacuation of several small villages lying close to the center of action to safe locations away from the border.

Shuja Al-Qahtani, director general of education in Jazan, said 51 schools in border villages have been closed and that students were relocated to other schools in the region. Eyewitnesses also said that Border Guards continued their operations to dislodge the infiltrators from a number of villages and arrested six infiltrators in the Dagharir village who were sitting on the roof of the village mosque.

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A small period conflict and we see:

1- Jazan Gov. Prince Muhammad bin Nasser visit injured Border Guards, visited villages in Al-Khoba where armed infiltrators entered, inspected the activities of the governmental, security and medical departments there. He also visited the shelters for those evacuated.

2- Assistant Minister of Defense and Aviation Prince Khaled bin Sultan visited and addressed members of the armed forces and special security forces in Al-Khoba.

3- Health Minister Dr. Abdullah Al-Rabeeah flew to the region visited injured soldiers and civilians in the intensive care wards at hospitals in Samitah and Jazan.

How many of our elected ministers express a similar level of care, and visit our areas & troops, to give boost to the morals of our armed forces fighting in NWFP?
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Infiltrators to face death



JAZAN: Saudi armed forces will not enter Yemen, Prince Khaled bin Sultan, assistant minister of defense and aviation for military affairs, announced on Sunday. Giving Houthi rebels a stern warning, he said they would face death if they tried again to infiltrate into the Kingdom.

Speaking to reporters after inspecting armed forces along the Kingdom’s border with Yemen, Prince Khaled said soldiers would support the border guards in confronting the intruders.

He said civilians have been evacuated from areas surrounding the Khoba border post in order to facilitate the operation against the rebels. “Those who enter the area extending from the border for more than 10 km will be in a killing zone. In another words they have to either surrender or face destruction,” he explained.

“There is a clear instruction from Custodian of the Two Holy Mosques King Abdullah, the commander in chief, that we should not step even an inch into another country and we should not allow anybody to encroach even an inch of our territory,” he said.

Referring to reports that the Houthi rebels were receiving assistance from Al-Qaeda terrorist network, the minister said he would class any intruders as gangsters. “The Interior Ministry will speak about whether these gangsters belonged to Al-Qaeda or not. For us any person who encroaches into the country will be dealt with force, irrespective of the group he belongs to.”

He said there was no plan to develop Khoba into a military region. “I came here to end the crisis and when we understand that the border guards are enough to (protect the area), we’ll just stand by behind them. However, we’ll be ready to intervene at any time.”

Jet ‘downed’

The Shiite rebels, meanwhile, said on Sunday that they had shot down a Yemeni combat aircraft near the Saudi border. “Our anti-aircraft batteries have shot down a military aircraft, which was bombing the village of Razeh,” rebel spokesman Mohammad Abdessalam told AFP.

A military source in Sanaa acknowledged a Russian Sukhoi bomber had crashed, but only because of “mechanical problems.” It is the third combat aircraft the Houthi rebels claim to have downed since the launch of the government offensive against them on Aug. 11. Yemen says all of the incidents were due to mechanical reasons.

On Wednesday Saudi Arabia unleashed F-15 and Tornado jets against rebel positions around the massive Jabal Dukhan mountain on the border in southern Jazan province. Ground troops and heavy long-range artillery lined the sides of the main road leading to the frontier town of Khoba at the foot of the mountain on Saturday as soldiers patrolled fields and inspected vehicles for rebel fighters. Prince Khaled called the Saudi response “a rebuke to intruders who had infiltrated the borders of the Kingdom.”

According to government and medical doctors in the region, seven Saudis have been killed in the fighting, including three security personnel and four women whose border home had been shelled. According to Asharq Al-Awsat Arabic daily, Saudi forces captured 155 rebels in the fighting.

Morocco, Bahrain and Kuwait, on Sunday, denounced the rebel attack and expressed solidarity with Saudi Arabia.

Also on Sunday, Najran Gov. Prince Mishaal bin Abdullah instructed government officials to provide all assistance to Yemeni Haj pilgrims passing through the Wadeea and Khadra border points, en route to Makkah.

According to informed sources, Houthi rebels are recruiting women and children as suicide bombers to attack Saudi troops.

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Assalamaoalukum,

I dont think these rebels are recruiting suicide bombers. Its all propaganda. They are Shia clan from Yemen and Shias consider suicide bombing as haram.. period. There is no exception and they believe suicide bombers will go straight to hell.

And as for man, when his Lord tries him and [thus] is generous to him and favors him, he says, "My Lord has honored me."

But when He tries him and restricts his provision, he says, "My Lord has humiliated me."

No! But you do not honor the orphan

And you do not encourage one another to feed the poor.

And you consume inheritance, devouring [it] altogether,

And you love wealth with immense love.

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Zeeshan Sahib

Do you think it is because it's allowed in Sunni Islam that the TTP guys are bombing schools and other such places?
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A small period conflict and we see:

1- Jazan Gov. Prince Muhammad bin Nasser visit injured Border Guards, visited villages in Al-Khoba where armed infiltrators entered, inspected the activities of the governmental, security and medical departments there. He also visited the shelters for those evacuated.

2- Assistant Minister of Defense and Aviation Prince Khaled bin Sultan visited and addressed members of the armed forces and special security forces in Al-Khoba.

3- Health Minister Dr. Abdullah Al-Rabeeah flew to the region visited injured soldiers and civilians in the intensive care wards at hospitals in Samitah and Jazan.

How many of our elected ministers express a similar level of care, and visit our areas & troops, to give boost to the morals of our armed forces fighting in NWFP?


Add to that the fact that they people do not even have to go to these people for votes. Yet they still are going...
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Assalamaoalukum,

it not a metter of allowed or not. Shias have their Mullahs organised and their is a system in place. All Fatwas come from their top most religious leaders and no one cann question it. they are the most educated in their interpretation of Islam and are chosen for their position. On the other hand Sunni religious ledership set up is a joke. Any illetrate ediot can claim to give a fatwa and no one opposes him or even stop him. Its free for all. Have you ever seen our top maulvis come STRONGLY against suicide bombings?

And as for man, when his Lord tries him and [thus] is generous to him and favors him, he says, "My Lord has honored me."

But when He tries him and restricts his provision, he says, "My Lord has humiliated me."

No! But you do not honor the orphan

And you do not encourage one another to feed the poor.

And you consume inheritance, devouring [it] altogether,

And you love wealth with immense love.

Surat Al-Fajr.(89:15-20).


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What do you think about the following?

Iran suicide bombers ‘ready to hit Britain’

Iran’s suicide bombers threaten to “burn down” U.S. interests
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What do you think about the following?

Iran suicide bombers ‘ready to hit Britain’

Iran’s suicide bombers threaten to “burn down” U.S. interests


Most shias in Yemen and Saudi Arabia are Zaidi shias who are different than AsnaAsheri Shias of Iran. Zaidis of Yemen do not get any religious inspiration from Iran .
Iran /Saudi issues will be tangent to key issue of Fatwa against suicide bombing.

I Think our Moulanas from Deobandi and Ahle Hadith faiths have not condemned suicide bombing openly and frequently and have not addressed they key issue of Jihad to be done only by joining Armed forces of state rather than just doing fisad fissad fi sabilliah on you own when their is difference in political opinions.

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Sometimes I think, poverty has also to do with desperation. When money is flushed in, poor become willing to leave their religious views, for a better life for their families. ALLAH knows best and may ALLAH guide them all!
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Assalamaoalukum,

I am not an expert in Sunni Shia business but my friend's family who is extremely religious and close present regime in Iraq explained me this. They pointed out that there never was any suicide attack by Shias in Iraq. Their Fatwa against suicide bombing came straight from their leader Sistani.
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And as for man, when his Lord tries him and [thus] is generous to him and favors him, he says, "My Lord has honored me."

But when He tries him and restricts his provision, he says, "My Lord has humiliated me."

No! But you do not honor the orphan

And you do not encourage one another to feed the poor.

And you consume inheritance, devouring [it] altogether,

And you love wealth with immense love.

Surat Al-Fajr.(89:15-20).


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Suicide against innocent civilians is not allowed by anyone - Sunni or Shia. However, the military use of suicide bombing is a different matter. One only needs to bend the defination of 'innocent civilians' and 'military and strategic use' and you can get away with almost anything.

Do you think the TTP bombers who are bombing the innocents in Pakistan actually think they are bombing innocent people?

A fatwa is like a law - there is always a way around it if you know what you are talking about and can bend facts to your own advantage.


Sucide bombing haraam against innocent civilians? Sure - but our enemies are helpers of the enemies of Islam and kaafirs, so they aren't innocent civilians therefore, targeting them is not haraam.

If someone questions - well remember Musa and Kidar?

So do you really think its so hard to go around a fatwa or law? Just like a good enough lawyer can find loopholes, a 'good' maulvi or ayatullah can find ways around a fatwa. You just have to be willing enough...


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Suicide against innocent civilians is not allowed by anyone - Sunni or Shia. However, the military use of suicide bombing is a different matter. One only needs to bend the defination of 'innocent civilians' and 'military and strategic use' and you can get away with almost anything.

Do you think the TTP bombers who are bombing the innocents in Pakistan actually think they are bombing innocent people?

A fatwa is like a law - there is always a way around it if you know what you are talking about and can bend facts to your own advantage.


Sucide bombing haraam against innocent civilians? Sure - but our enemies are helpers of the enemies of Islam and kaafirs, so they aren't innocent civilians therefore, targeting them is not haraam.

If someone questions - well remember Musa and Kidar?

So do you really think its so hard to go around a fatwa or law? Just like a good enough lawyer can find loopholes, a 'good' maulvi or ayatullah can find ways around a fatwa. You just have to be willing enough...


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Assalamaoalukum,

it not a metter of allowed or not. Shias have their Mullahs organised and their is a system in place. All Fatwas come from their top most religious leaders and no one cann question it. they are the most educated in their interpretation of Islam and are chosen for their position. On the other hand Sunni religious ledership set up is a joke. Any illetrate ediot can claim to give a fatwa and no one opposes him or even stop him. Its free for all. Have you ever seen our top maulvis come STRONGLY against suicide bombings?


Zeeshan sahib will all respect, I find your post a sectarian and offensive. You claim not be an expert on sunni-shia, yet you call entire sunni religous setup as a joke. About Sunni ulema not having condemned suicide bombings, you could not be further from the truth. Has any Sunni recognised Aalim supported suicide bombings? Dont use political mullahs as example.

See the following for those that have condemned suicide attacks:

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2009\06\14\story_14-6-2009_pg3_1

http://pakdef.info/f...558&postcount=8

http://www.dawn.com/...e-unislamic-859

http://makkah.wordpr...uicide-bombing/

http://news.bbc.co.u...ast/1690624.stm

During Iran-Iraq war, Khomeini's army had sent numerous Iranian teenagers on suicide missions. Sistani was living inside Iran at that time, under the protection of that regime. If I remember correctly, he was a warm supporter of the US occupation of Iraq. The same US which Iranian Shia's label as the great satan. Khomeini bought weapons from the same US.

I would claim that the positions inside the Iranian theocracy are based upon nepotisme, and knowing Iraqi's (mostly Shia's) and having grown up with them, it would require a lot to convince me that they are believers in merit-based promotions.

You claim that any sunni idiot can give a fatwa, yet no shia idiot can give a fatwa? Any proof of that? I dont want to offend anyone, so I wont give examples. (most of them would be from Iraqi Shia's by the way).

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Suicide against innocent civilians is not allowed by anyone - Sunni or Shia. However, the military use of suicide bombing is a different matter. One only needs to bend the defination of 'innocent civilians' and 'military and strategic use' and you can get away with almost anything.




And Allah knows best.


Well based on real world experience it is always some of school of thoughts within Sunnis have been much more involved in suicide bombing as tool for military use. It is so logical for people to conclude there is some kind of Indoctrination in thier youth segment through Jihadi Mullahs . This pattern is same in Algeria , egypt , Iraq and Now Pakistan and we have not seen in Shias of Iraq who too were oppressed by Saddam Hussian but never resorted to suicide attacks.

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Tamils also used suicide attacks in Sri Lanka, but that didnt make it a "hindu" thing. Therefore i believe its wrong to make it a sunni issue, just because a few people who most sunni's disagree with are doing it. Besides Iranian Shia's did send teenagers on suicide missions during iran-iraq war.




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