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Very interesting. No funds for RAFAEL this financial year budget.


AIR & SPACE
Fund Shortage and Depreciating Rupee Hit Key IAF Programs

Vivek Raghuvanshi, Defense News
4 days ago

NEW DELHI — The Indian Air Force (IAF) faces a severe resource crunch as 11 key defense projects await signing despite their finalization, according to IAF officials speaking on the condition of anonymity.

The rising US dollar against the Indian rupee and lower budget allocations by the ruling Narendra Modi government are the main causes of the squeeze, the IAF officials say.

DEFENSE NEWS
Indian Budget Shows 10% Drop in Dollar Terms

There is a shortage of $1.13 billion in the Capital Head account, which is reserved for buying new weapons, and $420 million in the Revenue Head account, which is used to pay for military salaries and day-to-day expenses, including ammunition and stores.
The IAF projects that await signing before they can be funded include procurement of 56 new aircraft to replace the aging Avro transporters, 48 medium-lift helicopters, six midair refueling tankers, 20 Hawk advance jet trainers and 38 Pilatus basic trainers.

In a first of its kind, Tata Advanced Systems Limited (TASL), a private-sector domestic defense company, and Airbus of France have a deal to manufacture the C-295 transport aircraft that will replace the aging Avro aircraft in a $2 billion program.
These are the other purchases and programs that are on hold:
Joint production of the Russian Ka 226T
Surveillance helicopters
Long-range surface-to-air missiles
Engines for Jaguar aircraft
Electronic warfare suite for the MiG 29
Avionics upgrade for IL-76/78 aircraft
The only IAF programs which are likely to be signed this financial year — which runs from April 1 to March 31 — are two additional airborne warning and control systems (AWACS) from Israel and a replacement of the C-130 that crashed.
Military officials and analysts here say there is greater need than ever for increasing combat readiness.

"The threat for India has not shown any sign of diminishing, in fact, we can see that China has reportedly been reorganizing its command and control elements. It has elevated its Tibet Military Command under direct control of the Peoples Liberation Army (PLA). This would ensure faster allocation and induction of additional specialized forces by China and ensure surprise action/response which would require credible response from the Indian side," said Daljit Singh, defense analyst and retired IAF air marshal.
2016-17 Defense Budget
The defense budget for 2016-17 is $37.9 billion (calculated on current exchange rate of 68 rupees to one US dollar) compared to $42.1 billion in 2015-16 (calculated on last year's exchange rate, 60 rupees to the dollar).
Similarly Capital Head spending for new weapons for 2016-17 is $11.55 billion at today's exchange rate compared to $14.33 million at last year's exchange rate.
Though in rupees defense spending showed a hike of 2.3 percent, in dollar terms, it fell about 10 percent.

"Budget planning is a detailed process. It also depends on how much money was spent by IAF against the funds allocated for a two-year period. There is no shortage of funds. Hence the blame must be attributed to IAF commanders and not [Indian] government," said Raman Sopory, president of Defense Consultants Association of India.
E-mail: vraghuvanshi@defensenews.com

And as for man, when his Lord tries him and [thus] is generous to him and favors him, he says, "My Lord has honored me."

But when He tries him and restricts his provision, he says, "My Lord has humiliated me."

No! But you do not honor the orphan

And you do not encourage one another to feed the poor.

And you consume inheritance, devouring [it] altogether,

And you love wealth with immense love.

Surat Al-Fajr.(89:15-20).


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Very interesting. No funds for RAFAEL this financial year budget.


AIR & SPACE
Fund Shortage and Depreciating Rupee Hit Key IAF Programs

Vivek Raghuvanshi, Defense News
4 days ago

NEW DELHI — The Indian Air Force (IAF) faces a severe resource crunch as 11 key defense projects await signing despite their finalization, according to IAF officials speaking on the condition of anonymity.

The rising US dollar against the Indian rupee and lower budget allocations by the ruling Narendra Modi government are the main causes of the squeeze, the IAF officials say.

DEFENSE NEWS
Indian Budget Shows 10% Drop in Dollar Terms

There is a shortage of $1.13 billion in the Capital Head account, which is reserved for buying new weapons, and $420 million in the Revenue Head account, which is used to pay for military salaries and day-to-day expenses, including ammunition and stores.
The IAF projects that await signing before they can be funded include procurement of 56 new aircraft to replace the aging Avro transporters, 48 medium-lift helicopters, six midair refueling tankers, 20 Hawk advance jet trainers and 38 Pilatus basic trainers.

In a first of its kind, Tata Advanced Systems Limited (TASL), a private-sector domestic defense company, and Airbus of France have a deal to manufacture the C-295 transport aircraft that will replace the aging Avro aircraft in a $2 billion program.
These are the other purchases and programs that are on hold:
Joint production of the Russian Ka 226T
Surveillance helicopters
Long-range surface-to-air missiles
Engines for Jaguar aircraft
Electronic warfare suite for the MiG 29
Avionics upgrade for IL-76/78 aircraft
The only IAF programs which are likely to be signed this financial year — which runs from April 1 to March 31 — are two additional airborne warning and control systems (AWACS) from Israel and a replacement of the C-130 that crashed.
Military officials and analysts here say there is greater need than ever for increasing combat readiness.

"The threat for India has not shown any sign of diminishing, in fact, we can see that China has reportedly been reorganizing its command and control elements. It has elevated its Tibet Military Command under direct control of the Peoples Liberation Army (PLA). This would ensure faster allocation and induction of additional specialized forces by China and ensure surprise action/response which would require credible response from the Indian side," said Daljit Singh, defense analyst and retired IAF air marshal.
2016-17 Defense Budget
The defense budget for 2016-17 is $37.9 billion (calculated on current exchange rate of 68 rupees to one US dollar) compared to $42.1 billion in 2015-16 (calculated on last year's exchange rate, 60 rupees to the dollar).
Similarly Capital Head spending for new weapons for 2016-17 is $11.55 billion at today's exchange rate compared to $14.33 million at last year's exchange rate.
Though in rupees defense spending showed a hike of 2.3 percent, in dollar terms, it fell about 10 percent.

"Budget planning is a detailed process. It also depends on how much money was spent by IAF against the funds allocated for a two-year period. There is no shortage of funds. Hence the blame must be attributed to IAF commanders and not [Indian] government," said Raman Sopory, president of Defense Consultants Association of India.
E-mail: vraghuvanshi@defensenews.com

And as for man, when his Lord tries him and [thus] is generous to him and favors him, he says, "My Lord has honored me."

But when He tries him and restricts his provision, he says, "My Lord has humiliated me."

No! But you do not honor the orphan

And you do not encourage one another to feed the poor.

And you consume inheritance, devouring [it] altogether,

And you love wealth with immense love.

Surat Al-Fajr.(89:15-20).


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Indian missiles, copters, subs: Is the Reliance Group aiming too high with its ambitious defence plan?
REUTERS — PUBLISHED ABOUT 2 HOURS AGO
 
NEW DELHI: Anil Ambani's Reliance Group has never made a military helicopter, missile system or submarine in its history but that isn't stopping the Indian tycoon from seeking to win contracts to manufacture all of that military hardware and more.
 
Known for taking some ambitious bets over the past decade, some of which have failed to deliver, Ambani's plans to turn Reliance into a major defence company may be one of his boldest yet.
 
It has already bid for INR 840 billion ($12.5 billion) in Indian government contracts, senior executives said, though it hasn't yet won any of those.
 
The success of the strategy will depend partly on whether he can persuade government officials and international partners that he can build sophisticated equipment and partly on whether Prime Minister Narendra Modi can get India's notoriously slow procurement process to work.
 
Modi has made defence a big part of his "Make in India" programme.
 
As part of any defence contract, he is demanding foreign companies tie up with a local partner, transfer technology and move some manufacturing to India.
 
At stake is $250bn in defence contracts the government is expected to award over the next 10 years as it looks to upgrade the military's ageing equipment.
 
"We hope to have a significant share of this pie," said R K Dhingra, chief executive of Reliance Defence.
 
He predicted the company will "emerge as a key player in the defence sector over the next few years".
 
Reliance's ambition is greeted with scepticism by many in the defence world.
 
An Indian military official involved in defence procurement said Reliance is overreaching in wanting to make everything from ships to planes.
 
Some rivals and potential partners for the contracts said Reliance will struggle to master the manufacture of such a wide range of sophisticated military hardware.
 
"There is no quick money in this branch," said Jan Widerstrom, head of Saab India Technologies, a unit of Saab AB. "It requires a lot of experience, high tech culture, investments and a long-term business plan."
 
Still, Saab and Reliance are working together in developing the next generation Combat Management System for the Indian Navy and Coast Guard.
 
Recently, Reliance's lack of experience and questions about its ability to handle sensitive technology and intellectual property counted against it in its bid to partner with the Russians to build 200 Kamov helicopters, said a Russian diplomat in New Delhi, who declined to be identified in this story because they weren't speaking in an official capacity.
 
The contract, estimated to be worth a little over $900 million went instead to Indian state-controlled company Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd.
 
Ambani should identify core areas and concentrate on them rather than "be an inch deep and a mile wide," said Nitin Gokhale, founder of defence website Bharat Shakti.
 
Reliance Group
The Reliance conglomerate split into two in 2005 after a bitter feud between Anil Ambani and his older brother, Mukesh.
 
The latter got the flagship Reliance Industries, with interests in petrochemicals, oil and gas exploration, refining and textiles.
 
Anil got telecoms, power, entertainment and financial services businesses. But some of his businesses struggled, especially an ill-timed foray into infrastructure, and debt piled up.
 
Its Reliance Infrastructure arm, which includes the defence operations, aims to be debt free in the current financial year ending March 2017, according to Lalit Jalan, who is acting CEO of the unit.
 
To get there it plans to sell assets, including road projects and a stake in a power distribution company for about INR 180bn, according to another senior Reliance executive.
 
Ambani entered the defence sector last year, when he took a controlling stake in a company that made warships and energy exploration vessels, in Modi's home state of Gujarat, called Pipavav Defence and Offshore Engineering Co Ltd, for about INR20bn.
 
That became Reliance Defence and Engineering Ltd. Since then, Reliance has bought hundreds of acres of additional land to build an aerospace facility and another shipyard in other parts of the country.
 
It has also signed more than half a dozen joint venture agreements with foreign companies, including one with Rafael Advanced Defence Systems of Israel, to bid for Indian government contracts as they come up.
 
An Israeli defence industry source said for Rafael the idea is that if it wins tenders, Reliance will produce some components for missiles and other systems.
 
Building experience
Ambani has said that lack of experience is being held against his company.
 
"Despite a committed reformist mindset at the top, we are still seeing opportunities being denied to new players on grounds of lack of experience," Ambani told a 'Make in India' summit on defence in March.
 
Reliance Defence has been building an experienced team.
 
Dhingra earlier headed Lockheed Martin's India operations, and the company has hired a slew of senior army and navy officers who have executed large defence projects from conception to delivery, the Reliance executive said.
 
The group's experience in managing complex projects in India, including building roads and power plants should help it, the executive said. For design, technology and complicated weaponry, Reliance would have a foreign partner, he noted.
 
Reliance expects to spend up to INR20bn over the next three years in upgrading facilities as it gets business, keeping its outlay low as it waits for contracts, the executive said.
 
Thanks to its Pipavav shipyard, Reliance expects the naval part of its business to be the first to take off, he said.
 
It plans to bid for a $7.5bn submarine contract that the government is expected to give out to replace the navy's ageing and accident-prone fleet and narrow the gap with rival China's rapidly modernising fleet.
 
Ambani also has plans to bid for contracts in the future to make nuclear-powered submarines.
 


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Indian missiles, copters, subs: Is the Reliance Group aiming too high with its ambitious defence plan?
REUTERS — PUBLISHED ABOUT 2 HOURS AGO
 
NEW DELHI: Anil Ambani's Reliance Group has never made a military helicopter, missile system or submarine in its history but that isn't stopping the Indian tycoon from seeking to win contracts to manufacture all of that military hardware and more.
 
Known for taking some ambitious bets over the past decade, some of which have failed to deliver, Ambani's plans to turn Reliance into a major defence company may be one of his boldest yet.
 
It has already bid for INR 840 billion ($12.5 billion) in Indian government contracts, senior executives said, though it hasn't yet won any of those.
 
The success of the strategy will depend partly on whether he can persuade government officials and international partners that he can build sophisticated equipment and partly on whether Prime Minister Narendra Modi can get India's notoriously slow procurement process to work.
 
Modi has made defence a big part of his "Make in India" programme.
 
As part of any defence contract, he is demanding foreign companies tie up with a local partner, transfer technology and move some manufacturing to India.
 
At stake is $250bn in defence contracts the government is expected to award over the next 10 years as it looks to upgrade the military's ageing equipment.
 
"We hope to have a significant share of this pie," said R K Dhingra, chief executive of Reliance Defence.
 
He predicted the company will "emerge as a key player in the defence sector over the next few years".
 
Reliance's ambition is greeted with scepticism by many in the defence world.
 
An Indian military official involved in defence procurement said Reliance is overreaching in wanting to make everything from ships to planes.
 
Some rivals and potential partners for the contracts said Reliance will struggle to master the manufacture of such a wide range of sophisticated military hardware.
 
"There is no quick money in this branch," said Jan Widerstrom, head of Saab India Technologies, a unit of Saab AB. "It requires a lot of experience, high tech culture, investments and a long-term business plan."
 
Still, Saab and Reliance are working together in developing the next generation Combat Management System for the Indian Navy and Coast Guard.
 
Recently, Reliance's lack of experience and questions about its ability to handle sensitive technology and intellectual property counted against it in its bid to partner with the Russians to build 200 Kamov helicopters, said a Russian diplomat in New Delhi, who declined to be identified in this story because they weren't speaking in an official capacity.
 
The contract, estimated to be worth a little over $900 million went instead to Indian state-controlled company Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd.
 
Ambani should identify core areas and concentrate on them rather than "be an inch deep and a mile wide," said Nitin Gokhale, founder of defence website Bharat Shakti.
 
Reliance Group
The Reliance conglomerate split into two in 2005 after a bitter feud between Anil Ambani and his older brother, Mukesh.
 
The latter got the flagship Reliance Industries, with interests in petrochemicals, oil and gas exploration, refining and textiles.
 
Anil got telecoms, power, entertainment and financial services businesses. But some of his businesses struggled, especially an ill-timed foray into infrastructure, and debt piled up.
 
Its Reliance Infrastructure arm, which includes the defence operations, aims to be debt free in the current financial year ending March 2017, according to Lalit Jalan, who is acting CEO of the unit.
 
To get there it plans to sell assets, including road projects and a stake in a power distribution company for about INR 180bn, according to another senior Reliance executive.
 
Ambani entered the defence sector last year, when he took a controlling stake in a company that made warships and energy exploration vessels, in Modi's home state of Gujarat, called Pipavav Defence and Offshore Engineering Co Ltd, for about INR20bn.
 
That became Reliance Defence and Engineering Ltd. Since then, Reliance has bought hundreds of acres of additional land to build an aerospace facility and another shipyard in other parts of the country.
 
It has also signed more than half a dozen joint venture agreements with foreign companies, including one with Rafael Advanced Defence Systems of Israel, to bid for Indian government contracts as they come up.
 
An Israeli defence industry source said for Rafael the idea is that if it wins tenders, Reliance will produce some components for missiles and other systems.
 
Building experience
Ambani has said that lack of experience is being held against his company.
 
"Despite a committed reformist mindset at the top, we are still seeing opportunities being denied to new players on grounds of lack of experience," Ambani told a 'Make in India' summit on defence in March.
 
Reliance Defence has been building an experienced team.
 
Dhingra earlier headed Lockheed Martin's India operations, and the company has hired a slew of senior army and navy officers who have executed large defence projects from conception to delivery, the Reliance executive said.
 
The group's experience in managing complex projects in India, including building roads and power plants should help it, the executive said. For design, technology and complicated weaponry, Reliance would have a foreign partner, he noted.
 
Reliance expects to spend up to INR20bn over the next three years in upgrading facilities as it gets business, keeping its outlay low as it waits for contracts, the executive said.
 
Thanks to its Pipavav shipyard, Reliance expects the naval part of its business to be the first to take off, he said.
 
It plans to bid for a $7.5bn submarine contract that the government is expected to give out to replace the navy's ageing and accident-prone fleet and narrow the gap with rival China's rapidly modernising fleet.
 
Ambani also has plans to bid for contracts in the future to make nuclear-powered submarines.
 

 

 

 

Numbers, Numbers, these numbers! They keep putting them out without shame.

"$250bn in defence contracts the government is expected to award over the next 10 years..."

So they are supposed to award $25 Billion a year, every year for next 10 years. They have been negotiating a contract less than $10 Billion for years now and it doesn't look like it is closing any time. 


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India is signing MTCR this week. http://www.defencene...-this-week-5711


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So heard that two indians died in the cross border raid that we (Pakistan) carried out 😊.... Surprise suprise

At Best any Aircraft's RCS is as Good as the RCS of any weapon carried Externally by it.


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So heard that two indians died in the cross border raid that we (Pakistan) carried out .... Surprise suprise

 

which cross border raid? the one beyond Torkham or another one?



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The one beyound Torkham which was conducted after our  Major's Shahadat. Apparently after a while a white flag was raised by Afghans as our troops were well inside Afghanistan. Off the killed news suggest two were regular Indian army personalle dressed in Afghan uniforms.


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Well its Indians and what do you know they will disown them, reminds me of Kargil - they claimed 400 something killed but ran out of coffins and ordered 3000.. A year latter they were still recoveing their dead from the mountains.


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When did Pakistan cross the Afghan border ?
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 Anyone here responsible!? :-)

 

Due to hard drive failure the BR Forums Server is down for maintenance.

 

 

Update 12-July - Due to a partial corruption of the backup file we were unable to restore the complete data. We are currently working with a data recovery company to recover the missing data, unfortunately this means that the BRF server will remain offline longer than we had originally anticipated. For the present moment the best ETA we can provide for resumption of normal service is 15th August.

Sorry for any inconvenience

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 Anyone here responsible!? :-)

 

Due to hard drive failure the BR Forums Server is down for maintenance.

 

 

Update 12-July - Due to a partial corruption of the backup file we were unable to restore the complete data. We are currently working with a data recovery company to recover the missing data, unfortunately this means that the BRF server will remain offline longer than we had originally anticipated. For the present moment the best ETA we can provide for resumption of normal service is 15th August.

Sorry for any inconvenience

 

 

This has been the status for last so many weeks



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You mean all the endless discussions on how LCA is superior to JF-17 have been lost to posterity for ever? What a humongous loss to mankind!!!
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 Anyone here responsible!? :-)

 

 

 

Ofcourse - ISI who else :)


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So, why couldn't the "superior" hindu brain, not understand the value of making backups?? lol


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this is low-hanging fruit but I will go for it shamelessly, the BR monkeys are waiting for the data to be reincarnated.....


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Isolation in reverse! ;-)

http://www.hindustan...jGQ8Yjk1RP.html

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Indian Navy's modernization plans in jeopardy

 

http://www.defensene...ans-in-jeopardy


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Been saying it for ages, the emperor has no clothes.....






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