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PA ordered 87 Type-59-1V (D-30) 130mm guns in 1997 and they were delivered between 98-00, and another 80 were ordered in 2003. These guns are pretty good and were used during Kargil Operations with very good accuracy. According some reports these can are airlifted under Puma.

Hkhan,

I forgot to mention, the Type-59 has been around for a while and I do remember PA ordering more of these in the 90s as well. These were the only 130mm guns in the PA inventory in the late 70s.

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Here is official DSCA link

http://www.dsca.mil/PressReleases/36-b/2006/Pakistan_06-12.pdf

Thats gonna give us over 260 M109s in total, add our 40 odd M110s and we have about 300 very good SPHs.

In the deserts towed Howtzers will be useless, this is where Pak Army will have a real advantge over India. Our Cobras, Al Khalids, TOW2s, M113s and M109s will all be very mobile platforms ideal for teh desert

Yep but remember, CAS is the key here. If PAF can't help PA out, then everything is left to Army air defence and they can be overwhelmed from the air. The key is to have the AF in good shape. The Army can hold its own on the ground then.

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Hkhan,

I forgot to mention, the Type-59 has been around for a while and I do remember PA ordering more of these in the 90s as well. These were the only 130mm guns in the PA inventory in the late 70s.

Yes, PA had these guns in the 70's and they were still ordering more periodically.

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Wednesday, December 21, 2005 Daily Times

ISLAMABAD: US Secretary of Defence Donald Rumsfeld will arrive in Pakistan today (Wednesday) on a daylong visit to meet Americans working for the relief and rehabilitation of earthquake victims in northern Pakistan.

Rumsfeld is also likely to meet President Pervez Musharraf and other senior government officials. umer farooq

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Wednesday, December 21, 2005 Daily Times

ISLAMABAD: German Defence Minister Dr Franz-Josef Jung will visit Pakistan and Afghanistan on December 21 to 23.

Dr Jung will meet Pakistani government officials and German troops deployed at Chaklala airbase for humanitarian assistance.

The minister, who came into office on November 22, is the highest-ranking German official visiting Pakistan after the October 8 earthquake. The minister will be accompanied by a 50-member delegation comprising General Wolfgang Schneiderhan, chief of staff of the German Federal Army (Bundeswehr) and Dr Ulrich Schlie, director for policy planning at the Defence Ministry.

Mr Jung will discuss with Pakistani officials the strategic situation of the region, bilateral defence co-operation, the post-earthquake situation and Pak-German defence training. German Ambassador Dr Gunter Mulack said the visit “underlines the importance of Pakistan on the strategic agenda of the German government”. “The visit comes at a time when our strong relationship was successfully tested under the crisis during the tragic events of October 8,” Mulack added.

The minister will also hand over medical equipment (orthopedic supplies) for the earthquake victims to Mr Kasheef Murtaza, the AJK chief secretary. For the quake relief, Germany has contributed $101.6 million for emergency aid, recovery and reconstruction. On a military level, Germany and Pakistan have consistently built up a vigorous cooperation in training and the military-political dialogue. staff report

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Cheney extends US full support to Musharraf

Washington has no concern over political process in Pakistan

Two countries to enhance defence ties

Aroosa Alam

Islamabad—Extending his country’s complete support to the policies of President General Pervez Musharraf , US Vice President Dick Cheney has assured the Pakistani leader US’s continued assistance in all spheres of bilateral fields . He also conveyed to Musharraf that his country had no concerns whatsoever over the political process in Pakistan saying that it is satisfying to note that democracy is taking roots and country is being governed by elected parliament.

He also hoped that two countries will continue to fight terror and extremism . Two nations will also enhance existing defence ties and Pakistan needs not to be worried about Indo-US nuclear partnership. Two leaders hoped that dormant F-16 deal will be revived soon after Pakistan had recovered from the first phase of earthquake rehabilitation. US Vice President expected Pakistan to play a pivtol role in bringing normalcy in the neighbouring Afghnaistan in the critical post-elections phase.

A pertinent note of satisfaction was given by the Vice President about the ongoing peace process and CBMs between India and Pakistan. He hoped that post-earthquake CBMs and next round of composite dialogue between India and Pakistan would lead towards a peaceful settlement of Kashmir dispute. Cheney appreciated role played by President Musharraf for demonstrating statesmanship and large heartedness by offering opening up of five crossing points at LoC. Vice President agreed that Kashmiris on both sides had a right to lend comfort to their loved ones at this time of grief. Official note said that President Pervez Musharraf and US Vice President Dick Cheney have expressed the firm resolve to further boost their multi-faceted ties on long-term basis.

During a meeting at the Aiwan-e-Sadr, lasting more than an hour, the two leaders expressed their satisfaction over the existing bilateral political and economic relations.

They also discussed regional and international issues of mutual concern. US Vice President Cheney expressed his country’s solidarity and support over October 8th earthquake catastrophe and said Washington would continue to assist Pakistan in its rebuilding efforts in the quake zone. He conveyed sorrow and grief over colossal loss on behalf of President Bush and the American nation.

President Pervez Musharraf expressed Pakistan’s gratitude to the US for extending timely help in the aftermath of the natural disaster. He said the US Chinook helicopters were critical in stepping up rescue and relief operations.

Later, Mr Dick Cheney, left for quake affected areas to witness the scale of damage and expressed solidarity with the survivors.

The US Vice President Dick Cheney visited the field hospital set up by the US medical team in Muzaffarabad for earthquake victims. Accompanied by Foreign Minister Khurshid Mahmood Kasuri, Mr Cheney was briefed about the medical support provided by the US army surgical hospital to quake victims since it was set up on October 25.

The US Vice President also met with women and children being treated at the hospital and expressed solidarity with them on the tragedy. “The two leaders also exchanged views on bilateral issues in a host of fields and on regional and international issue of common concern,” he said.

APP adds: US Vice President Dick Cheney visited a field hospital set up by U.S. Mobile Army Surgical Hospital to provide health care to thousands of quake affected people from the city and adjoining areas.

Accompanied by Foreign Minister Khurshid M Kasuri, the US Vice President was received by Prime Minister Azad Jammu Kashmir Sardar Sikandar Hayat Khan.

He was briefed by Rear Admiral Michael A LeFever, Commander Disaster Assistance Centre about medical support provided by the 212th Mobile Army Surgical hospital to quake-victims since it was set up on October 25.

Cheney and his wife also met with women and children being treated at the hospital and expressed solidarity with them on the tragedy that left more than 75,000 dead and 3.5 million others displaced in Azad Kashmir and NWFP.

Unprecedented security measures were taken for the visit. The entire complex now housed in the AJK Secretariat building was cordoned off by Pakistani troops, while the internal security arrangements were with the US security personnel. US Vice President Dick Cheney cut short his swing through the Middle East to return to Washington in case he needs to cast the tie-breaking vote on key legislation, the White House said Tuesday.

“He’s returning early to be on hand in the Senate to fulfil his constitutional duties as president of the Senate, where he can cast a tie-breaking vote if necessary,” said spokeswoman Dana Perino at Washington. He was seen off at the Chaklala air base by Foreign Minister Khurshid Kasuri, US ambassador Rayan C Crocker and other officials.

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I hope people realise that as well as our own internal efforts (Al Khalid, JF-17, Al Thala), US is now helping is requip with relatively modern weapons for very little cost.

We can now field more attack choppers, APCs, SPHs and MPAs then India, at very little own cost to ourselves. Say what you want about "US - Indian Strategic partnership", but on the ground, whee it counts, all I can see is the US beefing up Pakistan. Please dont tell me we need 115 extra M109A5s or 8 extra P-3Cs with Harpoon II to fight Al Queda!!!!!!!!

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Nopes. In this case you are wrong. Strong defense is not only good to counter India but majorly first to defend Pakistani integrity. If a nation is weak and not supported it will fail to counter terrorism. With Pakistan able to produce nuclear missiles and cruisemissiles one doesn't want to boycot and end up with a dirty bomb in the western world. I appreciate the way US is trying to get back to support Pakistan. Surely it has its wishes but surely the anti US feelings are onesided at the same time. The sea route is now very well defended so influx of terrorsm is less easy through the sea. Iran is in control cause it s surrounded by US allies. Afghanistan is under siege. The airforce is desperately in need so they support it to counter the Indian madness. If there is a stable situation there is less chance that war will start. They know that Pakistan is not intrested in startnig war with India but the know it will not sit back and accept war. So they do their best to equalize conventional arms. Hence block52 F16 with AIM9x and AMRAAM. The add some army material cause it is needed to counter terrorism in the east side. Thge US uses high tech to counter terrorism so why should Pakistan risk brave soldiers by giving them only HK small arms? Matter of time before Pakistan wil receive armed Predator.

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Now we had mr Cheney and at the same time mr Rumsfeld is there unexpected. What a turn compared to Clinton flying in a secret plane to make clear that he doesn't agree with Pakistan....

I have a feelnig that there is something about Chnooks and Pakistan... Bet there are some discussions about that chopper...

US defense chief Rumsfeld visits quake-hit Pakistan 2 hours, 34 minutes ago

ISLAMABAD (AFP) - US Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld arrived in Pakistan for a first-hand look at areas that were devastated by the October 8 earthquake.

Rumsfeld, who arrived here unannounced, was received at Chaklala airbase near the capital Islamabad by his Pakistani counterpart Rao Sikandar Iqbal.

He later flew to Muzaffarabad, the quake-devastated capital of Pakistan-controlled Kashmir and visited the main US MASH hospital.

He also visited a US surgical unit at Shinkiari in northwest Pakistan which has been treating the injured.

Rumsfeld also met pilots and crew of US Chinook helicopters at Qasim airbase in Rawalpindi near Islamabad, which have been shuttling the bulk of the relief supplies for millions of quake survivors.

On Tuesday US Vice President Dick Cheney held talks with Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf and also visited quake-hit areas.

The United States has been one of the major contributors to the relief effort in Pakistan, a key ally in the US-led "war on terror."

Rumsfeld said there were currently around 850 US military personnel, 12 helicopters and two medical facilities set up to help the effort in Pakistan, where more than 73,000 people were killed.

He called Pakistan "a moderate Muslim regime in the world that is demonstrating ... partnership."

"I think it is important that the world recognizes the relationships the United States has had in the past with moderate Muslim states and what we do," he told reporters aboard his plane en route to Pakistan.

Rumsfeld said the world should "see that the activities of the United States are to support those ... who are opposed to the people who cut off heads ... and engage in violent extremist activities."

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‘Kathmandu arms deals worry Delhi’

NEW DELHI, Dec 20: India is worried about reports that Pakistan and China are giving Nepal military help, Defence Minister Pranab Mukherjee was quoted by an Indian newspaper as saying on Tuesday.

“There is a problem,” Mr Mukherjee said in New Delhi when asked for comment on alleged military assistance from Pakistan and China to Nepal to help its army crush a Maoist insurgency, The Asian Age newspaper said.

Mr Mukherjee’s remarks were believed to be the first time India has said publicly it is concerned by military help from Pakistan and China to Nepal, traditionally seen as New Delhi’s diplomatic backyard.

New Delhi was trying to settle the issue at the diplomatic level, The Asian Age newspaper quoted the minister as saying.

Analysts have suggested that India has become increasingly alarmed about growing Pakistani and Chinese influence in Nepal since India, UK and the US suspended arms supplies.

Last month, a Nepal newspaper reported China had dispatched truckloads of arms and ammunition to Nepal.

Earlier this month, Nepal’s army chief Pyar Jung Thapa visited Pakistan, where he was reported to have accepted a Pakistani offer of training for Nepalese troops.

Since assuming absolute power, King Gyanendra of Nepal has reached out to Pakistan and China to ease his country’s diplomatic and military isolation.—AFP

http://www.dawn.com/2005/12/21/top10.htm

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German Defence Minister arrives

ISLAMABAD, Dec 21 (APP): A 50 member German Defence delegation, led by German Defence Minister, Dr. Franz Josef Jung arrived here Wednesday evening. The delegation was received by Senior Federal Minister and Minister for Defence, Rao Sikandar Iqbal at Chaklala Airbase in Rawalpindi. Talking to media men on his arrival at Chaklala Airbase, the German Defence Minister said that Pakistan and Germany enjoyed good relations and Germany wanted to expand its relationship with Pakistan.(Posted @ 23:55 PST)

http://www.dawn.com/2005/12/21/welcome.htm

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German defence minister arrives today

By Our Reporter

ISLAMABAD, Dec 20: German Defence Minister Dr Franz-Josef Jung will visit Pakistan and Afghanistan from December 21 to 23, said a statement issued by the German embassy here on Tuesday.

Dr Jung will hold meetings with the Pakistani government officials and meet the German troops deployed at Chaklala airbase for humanitarian assistance.

The German minister, who took his charge on November 22, is the highest-ranking official visiting Pakistan after the October 8 quake.

The minister will be accompanied by a 50-member delegation comprising General Wolfgang Schneiderhan, Chief of Staff of the German Federal Army (Bundeswehr), Dr Ulrich Schlie, Director for Policy Planning at the Defence Ministry, other senior advisors and a large media pool.

http://www.dawn.com/2005/12/21/nat9.htm

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German minister arrives

By Our Reporter

ISLAMABAD, Dec 21: German Defence Minister Dr Franz-Josef Jung arrived here on Wednesday on a three-day official visit to Pakistan for talks on important issues, including defence cooperation.

This the first official trip overseas of the German minister since he assumed office on Nov 22.

Dr Jung will hold meetings with the government authorities and meet the German troops deployed at the Chaklala airbase for taking part in the quake relief work.

The issues to be discussed during Mr Jung’s visit include bilateral defence cooperation, the post-quake situation and the mutual defence training.

Germany has contributed $101.6 million for emergency aid and reconstruction of the quake-hit areas. The long-term commitment now focuses on rebuilding rural housing, developing healthcare and building schools in Azad Kashmir and the NWFP.

Since the late 1950s, 17 Pakistani officers have served in Germany as defence advisors. The number of German defence attaches who have served in Pakistan is 12.

http://www.dawn.com/2005/12/22/top12.htm

Could someone please tell me what role these 17 defence advisors have had in Germany?

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I think the journalist is interchanging the words 'advisors' and 'attaches'. I think Pakistan has had 17 Attaches serve in Germany.

Aziz

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Those 17 officers were likely foreign exchange trainees; during the late-1950s we were still learning to adopt Western doctrines ourselves, no way we could have advised a country like Germany so early.

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[Does anybody know whats going on? We have Cheney coming closely followed by Rumsfeld and now a large German delegation. Are the German's trying to sell us something?? It doesn't make sense have a 50 member delegation from the Defence Ministry.

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well.... this is my theory.

germans know that we are interested i their subs and we use their radars. They also know that we are in the market for a $th+ generation fighter, even 5th. Well they got that too.... Typhoon.... but only if it was cheaper....

If Saudi arabia is placing an order and might bring the prices down, then we might look into it..... They might also have some SAMs for us ;)

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I think the journalist is interchanging the words 'advisors' and 'attaches'. I think Pakistan has had 17 Attaches serve in Germany.

Aziz

Attaches makes much more sense. Couldnt understand what we possibly could advise them on in the 50'ies.

Arent Typhoons a bit to expensive for us in the near future? I mean having a few squadrons of those would be very very nice, but the price tag seems to be a bit out of reach in the current circumstances. But the subs sound very interesting.

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Pak Oberver (12/23/05)

Tahir Rashid

Rawalpindi—Defence Minister of Germany Dr Franz-Josef Jung has said that the NATO forces would leave Pakistan on February 20, after completion of their relief mission in the earthquake hit areas. “But two German helicopters and army personnel would remain in Pakistan to continue relief and rehabilitation operation”.

“If deemed necessary further Army would be dispatched to Pakistan to reinforce German troops in the relief operation”, German Defence Minister said while talking to reporters here on Thursday.

He was talking to reporters after signing Memorandum of Understanding (MoU) on “Exchange of Classified Military Information” between Germany and Pakistan. The agreement was signed by Defence Minister Rao Sikandar Iqbal and German Defence Minister Franz-Josef Jung in Ministry of Defence.

Dr Jung told reporters that Pakistan has a great role in enduring freedom in Afghanistan besides reconstruction and stability of the democracy in that war-torn country. He said a parliament has emerged in Afghanistan and it is imperative to strengthen and stabilize this parliament to discourage terrorism and extermism.

He lauded Pakistan role in war against terror and said that Germany would continue its support to Pakistan and rest of the world to eradicate terrorism from its roots.

Responding to a question about the MoU signed by two countries German Defence Minister said on the military level, Germany and Pakistan have consistently built up a vigorous cooperation in the field of training and the military-political dialogue. “This agreement will help two countries in exchanging military information”, he added.

He said more than 260 Pakistani officers have gone through high-level training in Germany, and Germany has benefited from the level of excellence at the educational institutions of Pakistan.

Earlier, addressing the German forces at Chaklala Airbase after return from a brief visit to Kabul, Dr Jung paid homage to their relentless efforts during the earthquake relief operation.

The Defence Minister handed over additional medical equipment (orthopaedic supplies) for earthquake victims to the Chief Secretary of Azad Kashmir.

He underlined the importance of Pakistan on the strategic agenda of the German government and said “our strong relationship was successfully tested under crisis conditions during the tragic events of October 8”.

Dr Jung was the highest-ranking German official visiting Pakistan after the calamity of October 8. The minister was accompanied by a 50-member/delegation comprising General Wolfgang Schneiderhan, Chief of Staff of the German Federal Army (Bundeswehr), Dr. Ulrich Schlie, Director, Policy Planning at the Defence Ministry, senior advisors and a large media pool.

It may recalled that Germany has so far contributed a total of 101.6 million dollar assistance for emergency aid, recovery and reconstruction. The long-term commitment now focuses on rebuilding rural housing, developing healthcare and building schools in quake-affected areas of Azad Kashmir and NorthWest Frontier Province.

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Germany, Pakistan agree to enhance defence ties

ISLAMABAD, Dec 22 (APP): Pakistan and Germany on Thursday agreed to enhance bilateral ties in the defence sector with more zeal. The agreement was reached at a meeting held between Defence Minister Rao Sikandar Iqbal and German Minister of Defence Dr Franz Josef Jung at the Ministry of Defence Rawalpindi. Talking to reporters, the German Defence Minister said both countries enjoy cordial relations and said "we have cooperation in defence and defence training sector and this is being further enhanced." Referring to the Memorandum of Understanding earlier signed between the two countries, Minister of State for Defence Zahid Hahmid told reporters, this pertained to the protection of classified military information between the two countries.(Posted @ 20:22 PST)

http://www.dawn.com/2005/12/22/welcome.htm

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US army chief arrives

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RAWALPINDI, Dec 22: Chief of Staff of the US Army Gen Schoomaker Peter arrived here on an official visit on Thursday. He was received by Director-General at the GHQ Lt-Gen Malik Arif Hayat and senior military officials of the Pakistan army, says a press release.

Later he met Vice Chief of Army Staff Gen Ahsan Saleem Hyat at the PAF Base.

http://www.dawn.com/2005/12/23/top15.htm

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Accord signed with Germany: Classified military information

By Iftikhar A. Khan

ISLAMABAD, Dec 22: Pakistan and Germany on Friday signed an agreement on protection of classified military information. The agreement was signed by German Defence Minister Dr Franz Josef Jung and Defence Minister Rao Sikandar Iqbal. Under the agreement, control procedures would be established to manage the access to classified military information.

Later, talking to newsmen, the German defence minister said the two countries had agreed to enhance defence cooperation.

He said Germany would continue to cooperate with Pakistan in the field of military training.

Over 250 Pakistani officers have undergone courses in Germany, and Germany benefited from the level of excellence at educational institutions of Pakistan Armed Forces, National Defence College in Islamabad and Command and Staff College in Quetta, under the military training programme.

He said that Pakistan would play an important role in Operation Enduring Freedom in Afghanistan in April 2006. He did not elaborate.

He said both Pakistan and Germany were committed to fight against terrorism.

Dr Jung expressed solidarity with the earthquake victims and assured that Germany would continue to assist the people affected by the earthquake.

The German minister also held a meeting with Senior Federal Minister and Minister for Defence Rao Sikandar Iqbal. Minister of State for Defence Zahid Hamid, Chief of Staff of the German Armed Forces Gen Wolfgang, German Ambassador to Pakistan Dr Gunter Mulack and other senior officials of the two countries also attended the meeting.

A press release issued by the ministry said, efforts and contribution made by Pakistan’s security forces in curbing terrorism, including their efforts at sea by participating in Coalition Maritime Campaign Plan, were highlighted during the meeting.

The German minister, it said, appreciated Pakistan’s efforts and promised to provide necessary assistance in terms of equipment and training.

The German side also expressed satisfaction over efforts made by Pakistan’s agencies concerned in curbing narcotics trafficking.

Earlier, on his return after a brief visit to Kabul, the German Defence Minister handed over additional medical aid and equipment worth $290,000 to Chief Secretary of AJK Kashif Murtaza at Chaklala Air Base.

The minister said four CH 54 helicopters would remain engaged in relief activities till February 2006, adding that the date may be extended if it was requested by the government of Pakistan.

He said 61 German soldiers were currently engaged in relief operations in the quake-hit areas of Pakistan. Germany has so far contributed $101.6 million for the relief, reconstruction and rehabilitation of the earthquake victims.

http://www.dawn.com/2005/12/23/nat3.htm

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Sun Dec 25, 2005 1:33 PM ET

By Jim Wolf

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The Bush administration is maneuvering to balance possible big new U.S. arms sales to archrivals India and Pakistan in the new year.

In the past week, U.S. Vice President Dick Cheney and Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld have made separate visits, not announced in advance, to Pakistan, a key ally in the U.S.-declared war on terrorism.

Islamabad will make up its mind in the coming year on a U.S. offer to resume F-16 fighter aircraft sales after a 16-year break, Foreign Minister Khursheed Kasuri was quoted by the Associated Press of Pakistan as saying after Cheney left.

Earlier this month, Air Force Lt. Gen. Jeffrey Kohler, head of the Pentagon's Defense Security Cooperation Agency, said he expected Pakistan to modify buying plans because of the October 8 earthquake that killed more than 73,000 people.

"I think that what we were ready to do right before the earthquake is probably going to have to change," Kohler said in a December 7 interview with Reuters in Washington.

"We'll get back with Pakistan early in the new year and see what they want to do," he added. Before the temblor, Pakistan had asked about buying as many as 75 new F-16C/D models and 11 refurbished F-16s, Kohler said in May.

The single-engine multi-role F-16 is built by Bethesda, Maryland-based Lockheed Martin Corp.. New purchases would boost a fleet of about 32 F-16s acquired before Congress cut off sales in 1990 over Pakistan's nuclear program.

In May, the Pentagon told Congress it was proposing to let Pakistan buy 300 AIM-9M-1/2 "Sidewinder" heat-seeking, air-to-air missiles and 60 Harpoon missiles with a combined value of up to $226 million.

INDIA AS CHINA HEDGE

Separately, the United States is poised to push in the new year for major arms sales to India, a hedge against China's growing regional military clout and influence.

The Bush administration is weighing, among other things, whether to let India buy a state-of-the-art radar system as part of a U.S. bid for a potential $5 billion contract to supply 126 multi-role fighters, Kohler said in the interview.

The possible supply of Active Electronically Scanned Array Radar, or AESA, would boost U.S. prospects against expected competition from Sweden, France and Russia. The technology is meant to let U.S. fighters detect and destroy enemy aircraft at significantly longer ranges.

An Indian purchase of either the F-16 or the F/A-18E/F Super Hornet built by Boeing Co., the other U.S. fighter on offer, would cement a sea change in U.S.-Indian bilateral ties since the end of the Cold War.

"Their pilots (would) come to our schools. We'll train with them. We will work very closely with their maintenance technicians," said Kohler, who has visited India three times in the past year. He said he may go back to New Delhi in March and was planning to send his deputy, Richard Millies, in late January or early February to coincide with an arms bazaar.

New Delhi's ultimate choice of its next fighter aircraft "will be a fairly significant political statement," he said.

India is widely said to be interested also in a range of U.S. arms, including P-3C Orion maritime patrol aircraft, PAC-3 anti-missile systems and electronic warfare systems.

Analysts fear U.S. sales could fuel an arms race between India and Pakistan, which have fought three wars since the 1947 partition of British India.

If their rivalry flared anew, the United States could be on the hook to deliver sophisticated weaponry to a region on the brink of war, said Matt Schroeder of the Federation of American Scientists' arms sales monitoring project.

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