History of Pakistan pre and post independence

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I know Pakistan and pre independence is kinda like a contradiction but I would like to remind you that Hindustan/India was a combination of patches first brought together under the banner of Hindustan by Muslim rulers and then India by the Brits... We Pakistanis have our own identity and destination; we are a separate nation, people, culture, religion, way of life and values. Some people even argue that Pak was never part of India until the arrival of Muslim and British rulers which bannia contradict fiercely... e.g. there was a discussion on CMF about the movie Alexander, Some bannia made a comment that Alexander invaded India... I disputed that by the fact that there was no such thing as India, when Alexander defeated Porus there were princely states and Porus was the king of the region that is Pakistan part of Punjab, Porus was not the king of India because there was no such thing as india.

It matters not whether Pakistan was or was not a part of India should any thing / any one matter, it's the people and we are Pakistanis and mighty proud of it.

A summary of the history of the land mass that is Pakistan.

1. Indus Valley Civilization:

3000-1500 B.C. i.e. about 1500 yrs. Independent, separate from India.

2. Aryan period:

1500-522 B.C. i.e. about 978 yrs. Independent, separate from India.

3. Small semi-independent states:

522-326 B.C. i.e. about 196 yrs. Under the suzerainty of Iran's Kayani Empire.

4. Conquered by Alexander and remained under his successor:

326-300 B.C. i.e. about 26 yrs. Under Greek rulers, not part of India.

5. Province of Mauryan Empire which included Afghanistan:

300-200 B.C. i.e. about 100 yrs. Part of India, mostly Buddhist rule.

6. Graeco-Bactrian period:

200-100 B.C. i.e. about 100 yrs. Independent, not part of India.

7. Saka-Parthian period:

100 B.C.- 70 A.D. i.e. about 170 yrs. Independent, separate from India.

8. Kushan rule (1st phase):

70-250 A.D. i.e. about 180 yrs. Pakistan-based kingdom ruled over major portion

of north India.

9. Kushan rule (2nd phase):

250-450 A.D. i.e. about 200 yrs. Independent, separate from India.

10. White Huns and allied tribes (1st phase):

450-650 A.D. i.e. about 200 yrs. Pakistan-based kingdoms ruled over parts of

north India.

11. White Huns (2nd phase--- mixed with other races):

650-1010 A.D. i.e. about 360 yrs. Independent Rajput-Brahmin Kingdoms, not part

of India.

12. Ghaznavids:

1010-1187 A.D. i.e. 177 yrs. Part of Ghaznavid empire, separate from India.

13. Ghorid and Qubacha periods:

1187-1227 A.D. i.e. about 40 yrs. Independent, not part of India.

14. Muslim period (Slave dynasty, Khiljis, Tughlaqs, Syeds, Lodhis, Suris and

Mughals):

1227-1739 A.D. i.e. about 512 yrs. Under north India based MUSLIM govts.

15. Nadir Shah and Abdali periods:

1739-1800 A.D. i.e. about 61 yrs. Iranian and Afghan suzerainty, not part of

India.

16. Sikh rule (in Punjab, NWFP and Kashmir), Talpur rule in Sind, Khanate of

Kalat in Baluchistan:

1800-1848 A.D. i.e. about 48 yrs. Independent states, not part of India.

17. British rule:

1848-1947 A.D. i.e. about 99 yrs (1843-1947 in Sind). Part of India under

FOREIGN rule.

18. Muslim rule under the nomenclature of Pakistan:

1947-present. Independent, not part of India.

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Did anyone of you knew that All Parties Shia Conference (APSC), which in 1945 passed a resolution rejecting the idea of Pakistan and decided to cooperate with the Indian National Congress.

This is not a sectarian statement but a fact.

While reading the book "Dear Mr Jinnah" by Roger D. Long - Selected Correspondence and Speeches of Liaquat Ali Khan, 1937-1947, I came across some pages which are full of letters and correspondence between Liaquat Ali Khan and Mr M.A. Jinnah dealing with the issues of All India Shia Conference created in 1907 and how to deal with them. All India Muslim League, which was founded in 1906 in Dhaka by prominent shia but later when the the agenda swifted is to how to deal with Muslims of India in general most of the prominent Shia left AIML and created All Parties Shia Conference (APSC) in 1907.

What surprised me is that everyone blames JI's Moududi for opposing creation of Pakistan but no one actually sheds light on the other side of the coin

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Well, since my discovery of this APSC, I have started to do some more research on them and their legacy in Pakistan...I guess you have to wait a little for me to look for more material on this subject matter.

So far, what I have read is that APSC lead to Idara-e-Tahafuz-e-Haquq-e-Shia (I knew about them) which has translated into position of Quaid-e-Millat-e-Jaffaria.

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H Khan, this is exactly the mindset that supports the sectarian terrorism we are witnessing in Pakistan over the last couple of months. Very disappointed to see this post from you.

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H Khan, this is exactly the mindset that supports the sectarian terrorism we are witnessing in Pakistan over the last couple of months. Very disappointed to see this post from you.

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Naveed,

Not sure where the disappointment lies because it is part of the history which I found out in a book not even informed or told by anyone.

The issue over here is that everyone without any authority on historical facts lays down the blame on a common enemy which is easy for everyone.

Sectarianism was actually propagated and initiated under the socialist govt of ZAB's PPP. Prior to nationalization of the educational system in metric (9&10) there was only one book taught about Islamic studies, irrespective if you belong to Sunni or Shai schools of thoughts. Then in 1975, the two different books (one for Shia and other for Sunnis) were introduced and students were divided in the same class period based on their 'parents' religious school thoughts.

This was planting of the seeds for sectarianism in Pakistan.

I'm a little surprised that you are blaming me for something which I encountered and in fact resented to this day.

Bringing the facts in front does not in any which ways promotes division rather it extinguish this fire which spreading without any reason.

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Zain, President Musharraf banned almost all of the religious sectarian outfits by August of 2001. All of them resurfaced in April 2008 after the election.

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Naveed,

Not sure where the disappointment lies because it is part of the history which I found out in a book not even informed or told by anyone.

The issue over here is that everyone without any authority on historical facts lays down the blame on a common enemy which is easy for everyone.

Sectarianism was actually propagated and initiated under the socialist govt of ZAB's PPP. Prior to nationalization of the educational system in metric (9&10) there was only one book taught about Islamic studies, irrespective if you belong to Sunni or Shai schools of thoughts. Then in 1975, the two different books (one for Shia and other for Sunnis) were introduced and students were divided in the same class period based on their 'parents' religious school thoughts.

This was planting of the seeds for sectarianism in Pakistan.

I'm a little surprised that you are blaming me for something which I encountered and in fact resented to this day.

Bringing the facts in front does not in any which ways promotes division rather it extinguish this fire which spreading without any reason.

HK, the fact that you bring up this issue right after an exponential increase in sectarian attacks is troublesome enough, never mind the fact that this is some unknown, unrepresentative, and extinct entity that probably never had any influence. I had never heard of this organization until you brought it up. Moreover you then project it as a counter weight to Moududi, which is quite a misrepressentation given the reach Moududi and JI have in Pakistan. The fact is that political mullahs, whether Sunni or Shia, were against the creation of Pakistan, which they are now trying to dominate through violence.

This is the tradegy of Pakistan, that many among the sub-continent's muslim community, for whom Pakistan was established, never supported its creation. The Bengalis, vast majority of whom are Sunnis, seceded from Pakistan and their leaders committed treason, should we then consider all Sunnis as treasonous secessionists?

If you want to talk about historical facts, then it is also a historical fact that OBL & his organization were responsible for the murder of thousands of civilians. So what inference should we draw from that? Are all Sunnis/Saudis homocidal maniacs?

Why have you elected to highlight an obscure and irrelevant group, and juxtaposed it with a leading religious party at this juncture when sectarian casualties are piling up in the thousands? How about doing some historical research on millions of Sunnis and Shias who have coexisted peacefully for centuries, and who fought together to found Pakistan, and are still fighting together to protect Pakistan?

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Naveed,

The reason I bought this up now was not to fuel the prevailing situation in Pakistan but the what I had written earlier it was just yesterday while I was reading this book I came across this issue of APSC and its declarations. I wanted to share it before I forgot about it.

As I said earlier this whole shia-Sunni issue is pretty complex and most of the people don't do justice to this matter when their story starts from 30 years ago.

There is a particular group who has started to spew this venomous term 'Shia genocide' and have stated that it's on the behest of Pak Army these killings are taking place.

I could not find more deplorable term used by these fascist then anything else.

Unless and until this whole issue of Shia-sunni is not deliberated in open with objective mindset things will get much worse.

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Can you please share the book details with us.

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Can you please share the book details with us.

Is this question directed towards me, if yes, which book?

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Naveed,

The reason I bought this up now was not to fuel the prevailing situation in Pakistan but the what I had written earlier it was just yesterday while I was reading this book I came across this issue of APSC and its declarations. I wanted to share it before I forgot about it.

As I said earlier this whole shia-Sunni issue is pretty complex and most of the people don't do justice to this matter when their story starts from 30 years ago.

There is a particular group who has started to spew this venomous term 'Shia genocide' and have stated that it's on the behest of Pak Army these killings are taking place.

I could not find more deplorable term used by these fascist then anything else.

Unless and until this whole issue of Shia-sunni is not deliberated in open with objective mindset things will get much worse.

Haris, as far as I am concerned this Shia/Sunni thing is post-Prophet (SAW) politics, and not religion. Each side has tried to out do the other by trying to claim better divine credentials, and in the process have forgotten the basic premises of the faith. Once someone starts to believe that God is on "their" side, then there is no room for discussion because for them even murder is ok because "God" is on their side.

I will just leave you with an e-mail someone sent me today, as my last word on this matter:

Just think ...

The founder of this Country was a Shia

The man who gave you the first cricket world cup was a Pathan

The Prime Minister who started Pakistan's Nuclear Program was a Sindhi

The singer who single handedly made Pakistan's music admired globally was a Punjabi

The Pilot who shot down 5 Indian fighter Jets within a minute was a Bengali

The person who serves humanity without any discrimination is a Memon

The Army general who defended Pakistan after the Indian attack in the Battle of Chawinda in 1965 was a Hazara

The only Nobel Prize winner of Pakistan was an Ahmedi

The Cricketer who took you to victory against India in India in 2005 test was a Hindu

The only Pakistani to reach the status of becoming an advisor of United Nations Secretary General comes from Ismaili Family

The Fighter Pilot who not just gave his life for Pakistan, but also went on to fight for Arabs against Israelis in 1967's war and shot down an Israeli Aircraft was a Christian

Even today,

Your Kebab is Behari

Your Biryani is Sindhi

Your Tea is Kashmiri

Your Naan is Afghani

Your Guard is Baloch

Your Transporter is Pashtun

Your Port is in Karachi

Your Industry is Punjabi

Your Music is Multani Sufi

Your country’s beauty lies in Gilgit Baltistan

Yet you have the nerve to say that only Your Religion, Your Sect, Your Province, Your Ethnic group is the best while rest should be thrown out of Pakistan!

Get over such Mentality please!

Pakistan First!

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Avoiding objective discussions of the matter out of the fear of being perceived as intolerant signifies one's weakness to comprehend the truth!

You wish to have the last word on this particular discussion is your own prerogative.

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Is this question directed towards me, if yes, which book?

Yes just wanted to confirm if the book you are mentioning is the one you quoted above by Roger D. Long or some other book.

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Yes just wanted to confirm if the book you are mentioning is the one you quoted above by Roger D. Long or some other book.

...and

idea of Pakistan by S R Bakshi

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Wish everyone a very Happy Pakistan Day

Pakistan Day or (Youm-e-Pakistan) or #Pakistan Resolution Day also Republic Day is a national holiday in Pakistan to commemorate the Lahore Resolution of 1940 and the adoption of the first constitution of Pakistan during the transition of the Dominion of Pakistan to the Islamic Republic of Pakistan on 23 March 1956 making Pakistan the World's first Islamic Republic. Republic Day parade by the Armed Forces is a common celebration for the historic Islamic event.

The Lahore Resolution or Qarardad-e-Lahore, commonly known as the Pakistan Resolution or Qarardad-e-Pakistan), was a formal political statement adopted by the Muslim League on the occasion of its three-day general session on March 22 - 24, 1940 that called for the creation of 'independent states' for Muslims in British India. The constituent units of these states were to be autonomous and sovereign. This was later interpreted as a demand for a separate Muslim state, Pakistan. The resolution was presented by A. K. Fazlul Huq.

The #Lahore resolution was actually adopted on March 24, but officially in Pakistan 'March 23' is considered the date of its adoption. In 1941, it became part of the Muslim League's constitution. In 1946, it formed the basis for the decision of Muslim League to struggle for one state for the #Muslims.

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