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Will India buy additional MiG-29 fighter aircraft?
The Bharatiya Vayu Sena (IAF, Indian Air Force) is facing an acute shortage of combat aircraft already for quite some time. Discussions on this subject return every year, but especially these days with recent crashes of Indian fighter aircraft, the role of Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd (HAL) and the endless discussions on the G2G deal (Government to Government) regarding the Dassault Rafale.
It is reported that the Indian Air Force is in talks with Russia to buy 21 MiG-29 fighter aircraft (MiG-29SMT version), that accordingly to various news agencies, can be delivered at a relatively short notice. However, sources within the Indian Air Force said the aircraft have been lying mothballed for around 30 years. Therefore it is hard to see how the proposal would provide the Indian Air Force, at least in the near term, with the additional capacity it desperately needs right now. The aircaft not only need to be assembled, but have to be brought up to a significantly different standard. The SMT and UPG variants both feature an enlarged “hump” behind the cockpit, for example, which holds extra fuel. The UPG variant differs most from the SMT is in its non-Russian avionics upgrades.
The new potential deal with Russia would see the incomplete MiG-29s finished in a configuration similar to either the SMT or UPG version and to have them upgraded to the latest standard that would include air-to-ground capabilities, extended range and a new avionics and weapons package.
It is believeed this deal will never materialize. The airframes are too old, the aircraft need a "must have" extensive upgrade to the current UPG variant, the upgrade programme will definitely takes years to come through, a time-frame that India does not really have.
The Indian Air Force currently operates three squadrons of MiG-29s that are being upgraded in-house at its Base Repair Depot. Two squadrons are flying at Adampur AFS with 8 Wing, consisting of 47sq "Black Arrows" and 223sq "Tridents". The third squadron, 28sq "First Supersonics" operates from Jamnagar AFS (33 Wing).

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Indians signed a deal in March 2008 to upgrade 62 mig 29s. 11 years later only half have been upgraded so far. 

 

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Also there Jaguar upgrade seems to be in trouble and Mirage-2000 upgrade is also pretty delayed. I wonder what are availability rates of their fleet now? I have the following figures from few years ago: 

Fighter fleet
172 SU-30MKI = 50%
21 MiG-23UB = 39% (Because of "structural defects due to ageing")
68 MiG-27ML/UPGs (upgraded) = 36% (Because of "structural defects due to ageing")
254 MiG-21 variants = 55%
60 MiG-29 (incl 8 trainers) = 70%
124 SEPECAT Jaguars (including 29 trainers) = 61%
49 Mirage-2000H (including 10 trainers) = 53%

Trainers & Transports
35 PC-7 Mk II = 77%
133 Kiran Mk I / MK 2 = 66%
69 BAR Hawk Mk 132 = 63%
104 Antonov An-32 = 48%
14 Ilyushin Il-76 = 36%
Il-78 = 54%
3 Il-76TD AEW&C = 71%

Helicopters
75 Mil Mi-17 = 56%
20 Mi-25/35 = 61%
42 Mi-17IV = 52%
80 MI-17-V5 = 63%
87 Alouette + 41 Cheetahs + 10 Cheetals = 72%
36 HAL Dhruv MkI/MkII = 66%

 

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I believe they also lost an M2K two weeks ago after it was upgraded by HAL, both pilots also died, one landed in the burning wreckage and died on the spot. 

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Thanks to the success of JF-17 and the failure of LCA, the entire scenario between the two Air Forces has changed.

I believe another two MiG-21 squadrons are to be retired in March bringing the number of squadrons to 29. Pakistan is at 23 (including CCS)?  Over the next few years this ratio gets better and better with IAF coming down to about 25-26.

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Does anyone know the type that crashed? 

 

Two Indian Air Force fighter jets crash in Bengaluru


By News DeskPublished: February 19, 2019
The pilots of the two jets ejected safely following the accident. 

Two jets of the Indian Air Force’s Suryakiran Aerobatic Team crashed in Bengaluru a day before the Aero India show is set to commence, NDTV reported.

The accident took place during a rehearsal session ahead of Wednesday’s mega-show.

The pilots of the jets ejected after the collision, however one is said to be in a serious condition and was rushed to a nearby medical facility.
The accident took place at the Yelahanka airbase in north Bengaluru.
Aero India 2019 will be held between February 20 and 24 and thousands of visitors are expected to attend the five-day event.

Two Indian fighter pilots die in Mirage crash

Bengaluru has been hosting the aero show since it started in 1996. The last Aero India show was held in February 2017.

Earlier in February, two Indian Air Force pilots were killed on when their French-built Mirage 2000 aircraft crashed minutes after take-off.

The single-engine jet fighter aircraft manufactured by Dassault Aviation was on a test flight after an upgrade carried out by India’s Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL).

Former French president laments fighter jet manufacturing deal with India

The Indian Air Force suffers from a high rate of aircraft crashes, mostly blamed on lax maintenance and safety regimes. Although the service outnumbers the Pakistan Air Force on paper, a significant number of its aircraft remain grounded for want of spares and maintenance.

This story originally appeared in NDTV

https://tribune.com.pk/story/1913768/9/

Edited by A Khan

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Does anyone know the type that crashed? 

 

Two Indian Air Force fighter jets crash in Bengaluru


By News DeskPublished: February 19, 2019
The pilots of the two jets ejected safely following the accident. 

Two jets of the Indian Air Force’s Suryakiran Aerobatic Team crashed in Bengaluru a day before the Aero India show is set to commence, NDTV reported.

The accident took place during a rehearsal session ahead of Wednesday’s mega-show.

The pilots of the jets ejected after the collision, however one is said to be in a serious condition and was rushed to a nearby medical facility.
The accident took place at the Yelahanka airbase in north Bengaluru.
Aero India 2019 will be held between February 20 and 24 and thousands of visitors are expected to attend the five-day event.

Two Indian fighter pilots die in Mirage crash

Bengaluru has been hosting the aero show since it started in 1996. The last Aero India show was held in February 2017.

Earlier in February, two Indian Air Force pilots were killed on when their French-built Mirage 2000 aircraft crashed minutes after take-off.

The single-engine jet fighter aircraft manufactured by Dassault Aviation was on a test flight after an upgrade carried out by India’s Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL).

Former French president laments fighter jet manufacturing deal with India

The Indian Air Force suffers from a high rate of aircraft crashes, mostly blamed on lax maintenance and safety regimes. Although the service outnumbers the Pakistan Air Force on paper, a significant number of its aircraft remain grounded for want of spares and maintenance.

This story originally appeared in NDTV

https://tribune.com.pk/story/1913768/9/

Hawk trainers. One pilot dead. 

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Hawk trainers belonging to their Aerobatics team SuryaKiran. Apparently training for a display.

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Lockheed Martin announces F-21 for India

On Wednesday 20 February 2019, Lockheed Martin offered India a new fighter aircraft for the Bharatiya Vayu Sena (IAF, Indian Air Force) to be made locally in an attempt to win a large military order worth more than $15 billion. In an official statement, the company offered to build the aircraft in collaboration with India’s Tata Advanced Systems.

According to Lockheed Martin, the F-21 is different, inside and outside. The aircraft, based on the F-16 Fighting Falcon, appears to be an enhanced F-16 Block 70, a configuration upgrade of the F-16V. The Block 70 upgrades included an AESA (Active Electronically Scanned Array) radar, a modern commercial off-the-shelf (COTS)-based avionics subsystem, the AN/APX-126 Advanced IFF, the Joint Helmet Mounted Cueing System II and CFT (Conformal Fuel Tanks).

However, one of the most interesting upgrades of the Block 70 to the baseline F-16s is the Northrop Grumman’s advanced APG-83 AESA radar. Interestingly, the APG-83 is derived from Northrop Grumman’s highly successful 5th generation fighter AESA radars, the F-22’s APG-77 and F-35’s APG-81, thus providing the F-16 radar capabilities of 5th Generation platforms with hardware and software commonality with F-22 and F-35 AESA radars.

Lockheed is competing with the F/A-18E/F Super Hornet, JAS39E/F Gripen NG, Dassault Rafale, Eurofighter Typhoon and Russian MiG-35. The deal to replace the Indian Air Force’s fleet of Soviet-era fighter aircraft is one of the biggest contracts. India has a lengthy procurement process, and no decision is expected until well after a national election due by May 2019. Lockheed Martin has offered to move its F-16 production plant to India, if it wins the order in a boost for Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s Make-in-India plan to build a domestic military industrial base and create jobs.

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Ya We still have have to see the First Rafael from from the 36 botched MMRCA deal to land in India, though now they are making it in France. By the time this F-21 comes Ill be in my old age and maybe even dead :), by that time some of our F-16 might have been retired too.

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They gave it F-21 designation to distinguish from their arch enemy's mainstay aircraft for the past 36 years!

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So it means we have superior fighter Jets? I don't think so..  Its not all that easy it all comes down to the machine and man behind the machine.

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You just cant make this up, these guys should definitely get a bollywood scriptwriting job after retirement! Files get stolen, plus fire at IAF headquarters, apparently same floor as the files or nearby... Modi got some explaining to do. 

 

https://m.businesstoday.in/story/secret-rafale-files-were-stolen-from-defence-ministry-centre-tells-supreme-court/1/325029.html

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You just cant make this up, these guys should definitely get a bollywood scriptwriting job after retirement! Files get stolen, plus fire at IAF headquarters, apparently same floor as the files or nearby... Modi got some explaining to do. 

 

https://m.businesstoday.in/story/secret-rafale-files-were-stolen-from-defence-ministry-centre-tells-supreme-court/1/325029.html

This is noon-league playbook. It would seem Modi was was taught by Nawaz on how to subvert the system and corrupt it to the core. Same dramas are being played out in India now. 

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It was Anil Ambani who apparently made a ton of money in kickbacks.  This is the Gujrati mafia at work.  Unfortunately, Rafales are too expensive to fulfill orders for the rest of the MMRCA requirements.  It just complicates logistics even more for IAF and the scandal allegations mean no further procurements for a while.  Couple this with the disaster that LCA is, and you have a perfect storm hitting the IAF in a couple of years.

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You just cant make this up, these guys should definitely get a bollywood scriptwriting job after retirement! Files get stolen, plus fire at IAF headquarters, apparently same floor as the files or nearby... Modi got some explaining to do. 

 

https://m.businesstoday.in/story/secret-rafale-files-were-stolen-from-defence-ministry-centre-tells-supreme-court/1/325029.html

​Tomorrow they will blame this 'theft' on:

 

  • Pakistani miltants or Kashmiris or ISI   then soon after
  • Taiwan supplied weapons on F-16
  • Or a Pakistani drone that drops a pigeon and steels this

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Crashes, aircraft losses turn FY costly for Indian Air Force

From helicopters to combat jets and trainers, the air force has lost 16 aircraft in the financial year.

By Manu PubbyET Bureau | Updated: Mar 09, 2019, 05.48 PM IST​
10.jpgIndia is trying to close gaps in its combat aircraft strength with the procurement of a new squadron of Su 30 MKI jets as well as an additional squadron for MiG 29 UPGfighters.
NEW DELHI: A series of crashes and aircraft losses,eight of them in the last two months alone have made this financial year costly for the Indian Air Force (IAF). A double whammy given that its allocated capital acquisition budget is not even adequate to pay for committed liabilities on past purchases of equipment.

The air force has lost 16 aircraft in the financial year – ranging from helicopters to combat jets and trainers – to varying incidents that marks it as a low on the safety front. Two of these losses are combat-related, the MiG 21 Bison and the Mi 17 V5 that went down on February 27, while the rest have occurred during routine missions.

Given its depleting squadron strength - it is expected to dip below 30 this year against the sanctioned 42 – the losses hit especially hard as replacements take years to come, if at all given the budgetary allocation and prolonged period of procurements.
 

The losses include two each of the MiG 21 Bisons, Jaguars and MiG 27s besides the unfortunate Mirage 2000 crash in February during acceptance trials in which two pilots perished.

On the budgetary side, the air force has committed liabilities in the 2019-2020 financial year – part payments due for procurements like the Rafale fighter jets that have already been made - to the tune of Rs 47,000 crore. Against this, the air force has been allocated just over Rs 39,000 crore, which cannot cater for replacements unless there is a mid-year augmentation of funds. Parliamentary data shows that in the three financial years between 2014-15 and 2016-17, a total of 35 defence aircraft, including 11 helicopters were lost to accidents.
 

As reported by ET, India is trying to close gaps in its combat aircraft strength with the procurement of a new squadron of Su 30 MKI jets as well as an additional squadron for MiG 29 UPG fighters.9

 

https://m.economictimes.com/news/politics-and-nation/crashes-aircraft-losses-turn-fy-costly-for-indian-air-force/articleshow/68328260.cms

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